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Round 11
Feb 6, 2021 12:00:01 GMT
via mobile
Post by Supervisor Silverclaw on Feb 6, 2021 12:00:01 GMT
My main worry was both teams over shooting so hard that it would be frustrating to complete, so I went for the rock draw.
Would it be possible to force people to sit down and do a bunch of logic puzzles? Yes. Do I want to force people to sit down for hours at a time to complete them?
No. Plus the random draw is supposed to be a deterrance to avoid this.
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Post by OperatorMeme on Feb 6, 2021 13:45:32 GMT
The real issue was that the only people contributing to making the challenge in each tribe were the people who were very good at them. And then they made them even harder by requiring the PNGs This is entirely on them! I'm just worried we might not get an RI winner here.
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Post by OperatorMeme on Feb 6, 2021 13:50:16 GMT
And yeah, you could have said they both were over, you took the average times of the MS test teams and whichever was closer than an hour won. But I get really wanting to incentivize them not going over an hour. It's the reason a rock draw exists. In case it's been missed (I realise we never outright stated it) the 'team of scummers' are the flatlanders. This was supposed to ensure that their challenge ended up being reasonable (clearly didn't quite work...)
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Post by Owen Wilson as Kenny Bostick on Feb 6, 2021 18:34:14 GMT
Seems like the pipes tribe especially biffed it. You need to rotate the pipes? In an image editor? Gross
Otoh I feel a little bad if they’re gonna fail based on Darth not attempting...
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Post by OperatorMeme on Feb 6, 2021 18:41:11 GMT
Darth did attempt, fwiw. Gave up after about a quarter hour on the pipes puzzle and half hour on the tetravex.
He was talking in discord; he's not a logic puzzle fan and I think the way these puzzles were presented made them significantly worse.
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Phoenix
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 6, 2021 18:43:10 GMT
I would've died on the image editing part personally
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Sunny
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Post by Sunny on Feb 6, 2021 18:56:00 GMT
btw if yall havent noticed there are white bits on the edges of bard/ranger/monk's avatars and it's a little tilting
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Sunny
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Post by Sunny on Feb 6, 2021 18:56:48 GMT
there's also no space between droids and rey on their tribe forum and i will not stand for this violation of my rights
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Post by Supervisor Silverclaw on Feb 6, 2021 18:59:14 GMT
btw if yall havent noticed there are white bits on the edges of bard/ranger/monk's avatars and it's a little tilting I have noticed this! I don't really wanna go fix it honestly. It fits the theme!
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A Rock
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Post by A Rock on Feb 6, 2021 19:37:24 GMT
I'm not exactly surprised with the result here. 24 hours to make and playtest a puzzle can be way too short and this challenge encourages the tribes to make everything as inconvenient as possible, which means it just isn't going to be fun. That's the main reason I dislike the "spam the forum" or "design a challenge for your opponents" type challenges, it encourages people to design things like the windows vista dev team (or like this: userinyerface.com/game.html). The only one that doesn't end up being that bad is like maze maker because you can limit the field size and there's only so much you can do with a maze and so hard you can make it. Still gonna try soon.
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Post by Supervisor Silverclaw on Feb 6, 2021 19:54:21 GMT
I think it was an experiment worth doing, it still has some flaws, but it's not terrible.
IMO, the real trick is not trying to hit 50+ minutes, because then you have little margin for error. If you aim for ~35-40 minute completion times, you have plenty of time for people to make mistakes, and it doesn't feel treacherously difficult.
I think this could be doable. It's not a lost cause at all, and there's potential. It just got missed a bit.
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Post by Supervisor Silverclaw on Feb 6, 2021 19:56:06 GMT
Also there's no way I allow image editing for this in the future.
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A Rock
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Post by A Rock on Feb 6, 2021 20:21:28 GMT
Fair, I just think there are so many ways for this to go wrong. If you win because the other team improperly calibrated, well you still needed to spend an hour trying to solve a puzzle. If both teams properly calibrate then it's just "who is better at puzzles" (in which case why not just give them an original puzzle and save 24 hours) though maybe there's some wiggle room in the type of puzzle.
Can agree there's potential though, but not sure what restrictions are required to make it fun.
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Post by OperatorMeme on Feb 6, 2021 21:40:14 GMT
Droids in their discord conf
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Spam
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Post by Spam on Feb 6, 2021 21:58:42 GMT
I mean, I don't think he's wrong. Maggie/Rey/Grogu don't have the majority yet and T&H and Bees are closer to Droids than to each other.
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