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Round 17
Feb 21, 2021 13:21:46 GMT
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Post by Owen Wilson as Kenny Bostick on Feb 21, 2021 13:21:46 GMT
I would say it’s how much of an active role they played in getting to the f3 coupled with how well they’ve tended to their relationships with the jury. Subtract some points for being voted out or having 100 immunities or whatever.
But I feel like a lot of the time the shining resumes all get voted out.
Btw remember a few hours ago when Hare was going on about Grogu’s hubris and how he wants to be in an all returnee F3 etc? Wild that he now thinks Grogu may vote with them. I’m not sure he’s the one that told about Avo’s idol though.
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A Rock
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Post by A Rock on Feb 21, 2021 14:12:09 GMT
I get subtracting points for getting voted out, but...why should someone be punished for winning immunities?
And even if hare wasn't the leak, confirming it is...like really dumb, "btw this person has the idol and 100% will use it so you know your options". The only way that makes sense to do is if you are expecting grogu to assume you are lying. But yeah, T&H really is overestimating their ability to get people to do what they want and seem to want to hold conflicting views on this round. Unless T&H means a split as in, Grogu splits from the returnees?
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Round 17
Feb 21, 2021 15:36:08 GMT
via mobile
Post by Owen Wilson as Kenny Bostick on Feb 21, 2021 15:36:08 GMT
Well, notice I said 100 immunities! I’m thinking of situations where everyone has wanted you gone for awhile but it’s been literally impossible to remove you from the game. Because then the immunities have helped you get there, but you haven’t demonstrated as much the social survival skillset that’s a huge part of the game. But it’s still better than being a returnee!
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Post by A Rock on Feb 21, 2021 15:56:14 GMT
Well, notice I said 100 immunities! I’m thinking of situations where everyone has wanted you gone for awhile but it’s been literally impossible to remove you from the game. Because then the immunities have helped you get there, but you haven’t demonstrated as much the social survival skillset that’s a huge part of the game. But it’s still better than being a returnee! Yeah but in that case the reason they're losing points due to poor relationship management or threat level management, not due to an immunity run. Like if it lost points that would mean that if you have 2 people with the same relations, strategy, execution etc... but the only difference is that one of them went on an immunity run, and you voted against them for that, that would be it losing points. And honestly even in the case where the person has poor relations but wins immunities, I don't think that you necessarily should penalize them for the immunities as opposed to someone who had good relations but could not win an immunity for their life. After all challenge phases are equitable to TC phases, and given the variety of different challenge types, going on an immunity run shows an immense amount of skill. To me, if your only way to the end is to bet on yourself to win 3 immunities in a row, and you do it, that's a major bonus, not a hindrance.
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Post by Spam on Feb 21, 2021 16:50:30 GMT
I'm with Can Opener on this one. Surviving because of the relationships you have, or surviving because you made a move earlier that put you in a good position is more impressive than surviving because you're good at a flash game or whatever.
It's not necessarily game over if a non-returnee goes here though. The non-returnees have the better items, and if they vote for someone who doesn't play an idol, they could win the vote without needing to worry about a tie. If one of the returnees wins immunity, though, they'll all be immune.
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Post by A Rock on Feb 21, 2021 17:26:49 GMT
I'm with Can Opener on this one. Surviving because of the relationships you have, or surviving because you made a move earlier that put you in a good position is more impressive than surviving because you're good at a flash game or whatever. Okay that is ridiculously reductive. Flash Mob aside, no one is stringing together challenges based on flash game prowess. Challenges are far more diverse and showcase people's knowledge about the world, knowledge of relationships in the game, ability to predict other people, or react to things quickly. Sure no one should win a game because they won a single challenge, but a challenge run is ridiculously impressive because it showcases a multitude of different strengths. Not to mention that while natural ability is involved, the person who does the best probably also did a good amount of prep, whether that be practicing a puzzle in their free time or pulling an all nighter cataloging all the posts in an inventory so they can win. Like strategy and social game are important, but don't deny the effort that has to go into peak challenge performance. Otherwise you may as well call the main attributes of strategic and social game being "strategically inclined" or "naturally likeable" when they're more nuanced than that.
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Post by OperatorMeme on Feb 21, 2021 17:28:03 GMT
Well, notice I said 100 immunities! I’m thinking of situations where everyone has wanted you gone for awhile but it’s been literally impossible to remove you from the game. Because then the immunities have helped you get there, but you haven’t demonstrated as much the social survival skillset that’s a huge part of the game. But it’s still better than being a returnee! I feel like we can point to BotW as a great example for this whole discussion. Urbosa played the game really well, but to me (and a bunch of other people) it was completely hidden until reading the confs postgame because she was *always* immune. It felt like she hadn't had to play and I think that made us all attribute a lot of the things she did do to allies of hers who actually had to survive those votes.
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Round 17
Feb 21, 2021 18:07:22 GMT
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Post by Spam on Feb 21, 2021 18:07:22 GMT
And honestly even in the case where the person has poor relations but wins immunities, I don't think that you necessarily should penalize them for the immunities as opposed to someone who had good relations but could not win an immunity for their life. After all challenge phases are equitable to TC phases, and given the variety of different challenge types, going on an immunity run shows an immense amount of skill. To me, if your only way to the end is to bet on yourself to win 3 immunities in a row, and you do it, that's a major bonus, not a hindrance. Nobody is going to purposefully put themselves in a situation where everybody wants them out and their only hope is to go on a challenge run. If they fall into that situation, it's because something went wrong for them in the game. And even if they succeed with their challenge run, that challenge run doesn't outweigh the fact that they couldn't manage their threat level or that they didn't have enough relationships, at least for me.
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Phoenix
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 21, 2021 19:02:36 GMT
AHHHHHHHHHHH I SO BUSY haven't had much time to chatter to you all
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 21, 2021 19:15:38 GMT
Bc it just adds an extra layer of confusion. Having to stop/start conversation topics bc you're talking to a diff person. Mentally, it's way less stressful to split duties and leaves you fresher for the game. T&H are doing just fine, whereas the rest of us are feeling extreme extreme burnout from the game. I also think the idea that two people could be crowned winners at once is kinda bullshit, considering the concept of a SOLE survivor. There's also just the added bonus of having someone to bounce thoughts off of who you 100% know has your best interests at heart and can be trusted to be truthful, whereas trying to find that in a Survivor game is one of the great hunts of the game. I hope hydras don't get banned soon cuz I think they are cool and I wanna do one some day :3
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Phoenix
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 21, 2021 19:20:30 GMT
Spam spams your confessional
1. That was a crazy twist last round. How do you feel about Bonobo going? 2. Let's say that the tribes continued for one more round and you swapped onto the tribe with Avocado, Bees and Tortoise & Hare. What happens? What happens if you swap onto the tribe with Bard, Cleric, Dark Rey and Grogu? 3. Who is your closest ally? 4. What's your plan for the rest of the game? 5. In the challenge, the other players said you were playing under the radar. How do you feel about that? Do you think they were right? Any questions you wish you had been the answer for? 6. Were there any other interesting results from the challenge? (Delayed answers to questions) 1. I was sad about Bonobo going! I liked Bonobo a lot and was hoping that they would be someone who I could have a lot more fun in the game with.
Since Bonbon died and Maggie said this, it is official that I now root for Maggie. I stayed loyal to Bonbon but he died so now I legally can root for someone else and its not considered not loyal
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Cheesesteak
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Post by Cheesesteak on Feb 21, 2021 21:56:45 GMT
I haven't been super active posting as a spec but just want to voice that I like T&H, I really enjoy their confessional, and I'd be happy to see them win. I know some people have talked about them as villainous, I personally don't mind that at all. I like to see people being honest with their feelings (which might not be the nicest sometimes) and I like to see a warts-and-all kind of game.
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Can Opener
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 21, 2021 22:14:18 GMT
I enjoy that they use their confessional, and they definitely are fun from a character pov. I just think they are fun to root against.
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Round 17
Feb 21, 2021 22:14:33 GMT
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Post by Owen Wilson as Kenny Bostick on Feb 21, 2021 22:14:33 GMT
Bees probably SHOULD defect to the returnees and not only that but if they were on the fence before, Avocado distrusting them and yoinking away the idol should kinda push them that way no? Like the extreme distrust from the other neverboots of Bees is a pretty good reason for Bees not to work with them.
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 21, 2021 22:14:53 GMT
Also man wtf is going to happen this round? I have no idea who might be going home here.
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