Can Opener
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Round 05
Jan 21, 2021 19:06:25 GMT
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Post by Can Opener on Jan 21, 2021 19:06:25 GMT
They had some bad luck in essentially swapping with a preexisting alliance, like Maggie/Lindsay/Dave were already together and when Darth joins, he was with them too. So there's no room for Ranger and Bonobo to integrate themselves really.
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Sunny
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Post by Sunny on Jan 21, 2021 19:49:03 GMT
it may not be obvious, but tbh, bonobo and ranger should probably pick up zero and go to rocks here.
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Spam
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Post by Spam on Jan 21, 2021 20:14:45 GMT
it may not be obvious, but tbh, bonobo and ranger should probably pick up zero and go to rocks here. Yeah, I was trying to think about whether this is a good move. The only issues are that Bonobo and Ranger aren't close at all, and they can't really rely on Zero (although seeing his tribe vote for him might get him to flip) |
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A Rock
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Post by A Rock on Jan 21, 2021 20:43:46 GMT
it may not be obvious, but tbh, bonobo and ranger should probably pick up zero and go to rocks here. I think this is a good move for surviving the tribe but not for surviving long term. Like spam said ranger and bonobo aren't close, and frankly zero probably isn't a good pickup as an ally long term. They've ended up seeming distant to even the people they like the most. Zero isn't a partner, they're a number and bonobo and ranger need the former. You're probably better off trying to ingratiate yourself to one of the majority and hope you can get to the merge where you can just slip out of the obligatory target spot. If you go to zero and try to flip him a lot can go wrong: 1. Zero doesn't believe you and tells his alliance, the majority now unite and vote you out 2. Zero does believe you, you go to rocks and lose, you still go home. 3. Zero does believe you, you go to rocks and win, congrats you now get to be targets in the early merge with a bunch of burned bridges. That being said there is definitely merit to trying to upset the simple majority hierarchy, but I don't think zero is really a force that can do that division, if it was instead, maggie or dave who was getting blindsided, I'd say go for it. |
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Post by Owen Wilson as Kenny Bostick on Jan 21, 2021 20:47:25 GMT
it may not be obvious, but tbh, bonobo and ranger should probably pick up zero and go to rocks here. Yeah, I was trying to think about whether this is a good move. The only issues are that Bonobo and Ranger aren't close at all, and they can't really rely on Zero (although seeing his tribe vote for him might get him to flip) Imagine going to rocks, risking your own game to try to take control of the numbers, and then Plagueis rolls in immediately after and you don't ever even get to have the numbers. Whoops! But even without that, I don't think it's the right call in this situation. These people aren't tight at all, and the 50% chance you lose the rocks isn't any better than the 50/50 chance Bonobo and Ranger have of being next. Also these things: *You could go out to rocks immediately, in Zero's place *If you let Zero go, you can try to make inroads and save yourself *Deus ex machine can always save you |
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Spam
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Post by Spam on Jan 21, 2021 21:29:00 GMT
I don't think it's quite so clear cut. Zero already wants to do the Lindsays, so you don't need to flip him. And with Dave/Lindsays/Maggie (and Plagueis, but they don't know it yet) being tight, ingratiating yourself can only buy you one more round.
But yeah, overall it probably is better to vote out Zero, try to outsocialize the other Chocolateer and then hope for a merge.
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Can Opener
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Post by Can Opener on Jan 21, 2021 21:39:21 GMT
I mean I would like to see more rocks on MS because we never do it, and it's often the right move imo. Especially at F6, I actually think F6 should be rocks most of the time. I do think there's an argument that it would be correct here, but Plagueis joining obviously makes it unequivocally the wrong move. It's probably wrong anyway though, but also it depends on how much Maggie, Lindsay and Dave are paying lip service to the idea of turning on one another.
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Post by Can Opener on Jan 21, 2021 21:40:34 GMT
Even in a game designed to have rocks, we had almost no rocks drawn. We're too risk averse.
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Post by Supervisor Silverclaw on Jan 21, 2021 21:43:17 GMT
I uh really hope Tyrian Purple doesn't lose every round... Then it may be awkward.
When I rolled out this swap, I didn't realize how close Maggie was to Dave, oops.
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Post by Owen Wilson as Kenny Bostick on Jan 21, 2021 21:56:26 GMT
Oh yeah, they've got their whole Cryptic Clues thing going on together, which Dave shares in his confessional without explanation and I don't know what they mean or how they work.
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Post by Can Opener on Jan 21, 2021 22:11:19 GMT
I uh really hope Tyrian Purple doesn't lose every round... Then it may be awkward. When I rolled out this swap, I didn't realize how close Maggie was to Dave, oops. Do you design the swaps to be balanced? Bc I think you mentioned that originally different people were exiled? I'm okay with handpicking original tribes for balance, but I kind of think if you are gonna do swaps randomly, you should truly let it be random |
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Post by Owen Wilson as Kenny Bostick on Jan 21, 2021 22:15:18 GMT
Definitely agree with the decision to re-roll the exile though, only because it wouldn't make sense for both exiled players to come from the same tribe. Although that could be ensured by just running the randomizer once on each tribe.
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Post by Supervisor Silverclaw on Jan 21, 2021 22:17:02 GMT
I uh really hope Tyrian Purple doesn't lose every round... Then it may be awkward. When I rolled out this swap, I didn't realize how close Maggie was to Dave, oops. Do you design the swaps to be balanced? Bc I think you mentioned that originally different people were exiled? I'm okay with handpicking original tribes for balance, but I kind of think if you are gonna do swaps randomly, you should truly let it be random My random swaps are always semi-random. I roll them and then do what I can to make them not awful. |
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A Rock
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Post by A Rock on Jan 21, 2021 22:20:36 GMT
Do you design the swaps to be balanced? Bc I think you mentioned that originally different people were exiled? I'm okay with handpicking original tribes for balance, but I kind of think if you are gonna do swaps randomly, you should truly let it be random My random swaps are always semi-random. I roll them and then do what I can to make them not awful. It might be better to pseudo random by deciding the makeup from previous tribes and then roll it like that, but that only works through like...the first swap, after it's more who shouldn't just be together yet again. There's a lot of philosophies on tribe division though. |
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Post by Supervisor Silverclaw on Jan 21, 2021 22:28:37 GMT
The only change I made was changing Plagueis for Bonobo, hilariously here. I think this swap would have been different if Dark Olive lost the challenge because then Monk would be here over Zero.
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