Bees?:
That tribe was ass and I missed you.
Avo had the idol AGAIN so I couldn't even vote him.
Grogu:
I'm so goddamn tired of this son of a bitch having the idol.
This ends. Now. I'm tired of it.
I missed you too my tribe was silent almost the entire time.
Bees?:
SO AM I. Like it's some Legendary Box bullshit.
Did y'all throw or was it just Rey had a bad day and y'all didn't figure out the trick either? Cuz man, Avo and T/H were freaking the fuck out that all you returnees did poorly and oh no was it to try to send Bard out? Which just sounded super paranoid and all.
Grogu:
Oh no we did not throw. I asked if they wanted to and they said no because I think something happened and Rey/Cleric suddenly wanted to keep Bard around. Cleric is literally throwing out a F4 deal with the three returnees + Bard where we just pagong the rest of you and I'm like, no, no thank you, I don't want Bard at Final fucking Four.
Please don't mention that though, they'll know I leaked it to you if you say something.
Furthermore, Cleric came in all hot and heavy saying that one of me/Rey told T&H that the returnees have a Final 3 deal and I was like I absolutely did not say anything like that, and Cleric's like "WELL HE SAID A RETURNEE TOLD HIM". I'm like dude, of course he'd say that, who else would he hear that from if he's making shit up?
Anyway, it was blegh. Very blegh. And I worry Bard has rallied Rey/Cleric to his side or something here, which... I want to believe they're smarter than that, but I genuinely do not know.
I'm pissed Avo is still in the game. If Avo gets back with Bard/TH and they have Rey/Cleric with them, that's GG for the rest of us.
Bees?:
Oh, funzies. That's so fun. Look at all the fun we're having. I uh, last round was a lot of bad. Like, I will admit I completely blew up on the mods after all of it in my confessional, so like... yeah, it was just bad. Uh, no, that's gross, what the fuck? No thank you.
I won't mention it, no. I like you alive and untargetted, remember? I mean, I know that's a worry people have, yeah. So it might have been something T/H said in passing or whatever. I wouldn't be shocked though if Rey told T/H shit. Cuz remember, she is who told them about it being on Bard.
It's not impossible. I was doing my PM update cuz I was like behind two rounds, and I did catch lines in my pms with Rey and Cleric that were positive about Bard, so it's definitely a maybe. I want to believe they're smarter than that too, but they might not be.
Yeah, yeah it is. On the plus side, during the tribal it did sound like T/H really wanted to take a shot at Cleric/Rey. Not you. They mentioned feeling kinda close to you. Though it was like, in a sort of shield capacity though. But like, I don't think you're in trouble next. The so called returnee circle def is. But also Avo staying around for a while isn't likely either, at least, not from T/H cuz Avo is pure goat material cuz very few people like him and he's just real good for that person nobody would vote for. So yeah.
Grogu:
Yeah I did not like the last challenge. So stupid. "Hurrpadurrp why don't you find the real challenge that we hid in this fake challenge and also we're lying to you in our ruleset". Fuck it. I thought the answer was "they're all wrong" and what it would be is a contest of who realized it the fastest.
That's good to hear... I'm not sure how I'm a shield though. Remember, I'm a returnee, I can't win according to most people
But yeah, T&H has been openly telling me they're playing this game to just stand behind shields all game. First Droids, then Avocado, blah blah blah. I don't really want to let them succeed you know?
The main issue is that if Rey goes out first I'm pretty sure that just hands Bard at least one idol, if not multiple.
What do you mean Avo is pure goat material? You think he's easily beatable at FTC? So he shouldn't be targeted?
Bees?:
cMm. Yeah that was some shit. I actually thought that before I submitted. Like, I went back and read the rules like 4 fucking times just to be sure that it said there was at least one correct one.
Lol, I don't know either but like, eh. Seems you're a later "problem". Oh my god, did they really say that? Wow. That's.. a choice. I don't really want someone to turtle their way to the end, no, not really.
You know, that's actually fair. Ugh, I forgot about that stupid shard. Unless that's the idol he just used? Like, idk.
Oh, no, no no. Like, I think there's a perception of him that like he's the guy most people don't like, so a bitter jury would say fuck it to that guy and never vote for him. Which, looking at a lot of recent juries, I think that's a flawed premise. But what I meant was, I could see people going away from him because of that thought process.
Grogu:
I mean, the rules also said a bunch of other stuff that turned out to be true. So who knows? Can't trust the damn mods.
That was not the idol Bard used I don't think, I think that one was the timer idol or something. Everyone talked about a timer idol, I have no clue what they're talking about but if it's being discussed so openly I assume it's public knowledge.
Ah okay -- I mean, I don't think that's a risk people wanna take lol. People are gonna have to get stabbed or betrayed on the way down the line, there's plenty of time for everyone to become someone that everyone else hates. I genuinely think Avocado wins the game if he gets to the end with Droids, T&H, Bard, and Cleric on the jury. That's four people who were close to him/allied with him and that he tried to save and didn't vote against. Sure, maybe people like you and me and Maggie and Rey wouldn't vote for him at the end, but I still think he has some locked in votes.
Bees?:
That is also true. I'd like to be able to trust the mods please, this game has enough distrust in it. The mods shouldn't be included in that.
Oh, no? Wait, what timer idol? What. I've never even heard whispers of this. Huh.
Yeah probably not, no. And that's true, there is always time for someone to be most hated. And you're likely right, yes. Avo is in a good spot. I liked part of his PM to me today that was like "everybody knows that the returnees can only win if they're sitting next to each other." and I'm like, buddy, you presume too much and also shut up. Also a real nice line about how like most everybody already knows that, maybe Maggie doesn't but she's smart and will see the truth of it. And I'm just... mmm no, you can no, please to no.
Grogu:
Ahah, yeah, apparently there was an idol hidden in the timer at the top of the page during tribe rounds or something. I don't know. I never saw it. But whoever it was (Droids? T&H? I don't remember) that brought it up to me told me everyone had been talking about it and I was like...cooooooooooooooooooooooooool nobody talked about it with me, that makes me feel super good lol.
Of course he's pushing for the returnee angle. There are only four real eliminations left -- because Final 4 immunity is really what determines who goes there, not the elimination/vote itself. Which means if Avo/Bard/T&H can get the attention off of them for one round, wouldn't ya know, now there's not enough time to get rid of all of them before F4 anyway. And if they can successfully get the target onto Rey this round, well lah dee dah, now Bard's gonna walk out of this round with a shiny idol or two to help guarantee them safety into the home stretch. You watch, that's gonna be the push -- take out Rey, she's scary, rah rah rah. Except that Rey going means Bard has idol protection, guess they'll casually leave that out.
I get people wanting to be wary of the returnee thing, I do. But it's just a fucking boogeyman at this point. We're walking a very narrow tightrope here. I was even teeing up if we went to TC last round to go ahead and get rid of a returnee if it came down to it just so that Avo & Co couldn't pull this shit.
I have a feeling this TC is going to be messy. But... Maggie has an extra vote. I have the extra vote advantage too. If we are smart about it, this can be the round we actually cripple them.
Bees?:
Oh, whelp. Never heard about that one. So maybe not everybody
I also feel super great, wow.
Yeah, that is very very true. Like if we don't touch them now, can we? Fuck if I know. Probably not. But yeah, no I follow you here completely. Though I am curious what sort of dirt this challenge is gonna bring up. it'll be fun I am sure. But I think they might consider Cleric simply to get that vote nullifer out. Which honestly, I can't blame them for.
Yep, I agree. Like, the three of you don't talk like a unit, you really don't. I think the Maroon 3 need dealt with first, that's just how I see it.
Oh absolutely, it is not gonna be pretty. It could be interesting though if we do things well enough.
Grogu:
Any interesting dirt off that challenge? I've just had time to skim and not really process.
Sorry for the short PM, popping in during BOYSNIGHT to see what's up. Anything I should know about already?
Bees?:
Not much, no. Like it seems people think you and I are most connected but that's about it. Everything else was pretty obvious.
It's alright, I also was away. but I did just get a PM from Maggie that said apparently people are saying I'm pushing a name AGAIN, which is like what the fuck? I'm not even here. She said she heard I was saying it had to be a returnee, so that's fun.
Grogu:
Lol T&H just told me Maggie is going around doing a straw poll for "which returnee should we vote out now"
Thanks Maggie, appreciate it
Bees?:
Yeah uh, that's not what Maggie is doing with me. Like, she came to message me to ask if I was in fact on the must be a returnee round deal. So like, I don't know if she's actually doing this or if Avo/T/H are selling it this way.
If it helps, T/H told me that they told Maggie they don't not want to vote for you at all. But like... idk man, this round is stupid already and we only know a handful of what's up.
Grogu:
Okay so look.
Just keep me informed I guess so I can be careful about what I say to who
Bard just told me Avo told him that you were pushing the returnee thing btw. And Bard said he thought it was fishy but wouldn't necessarily go for Avo this round. I mean honestly look
If it looks inevitable that a returnee has to go here I'd rather be on board for kumbayah unity bullshit
But if there's a chance we can sweep this around without anyone knowing and take out an ACTUAL THREAT that's preferred to me obviously!
I just don't wanna get done with this round and be going "Ah fuck there's no viable path to a victory anymore because Threat A/B/C is still here"
T&H just cryptically told me not to trust Rey or Cleric.
I feel like... Idk. I don't see Cleric/Rey working hard enough to turn on each other or me here, so I want to say that's just T&H blowing smoke? I have no idea.
But yeah it seems like T&H/Avo are 100% behind the "returnee" push, but they're blaming literally all of it on you and Maggie.
Bees?:
Oh my fucking god, can we please just fucking kill Avo? I'm so done with this he said she said they said bullshit. I'm so tired of being blamed for shit I'm not even involved in. Like I just want him gone.
It is not that inevitable, it's really not. Like, Maggie's chatting shit out with me just weighing all the options talking about everything. I dont' think she's as fullsteam ahead on murder a returnee as she's being painted to be. I'd say right now trust Maggie. Rey and Cleric are chatty bitches. Weirdly we might be able to trust Bard? But that's like a huge maybe. T/H idk man, I've never known. But I do know before they left, Droids did give me a very long spiel about how T/H just wasn't to be trusted because they say a lot of shit about a lot of shit, and it shores up a lot of what Avo says too.
I don't know if Rey and Cleric are together, I haven't really talked to them much this round yet. I promise I will keep you informed of everything I hear though. Right now just Maggie and I are online, so we might manage to weigh out a lot of stuff, and if there's more than what I've said in this PM, I'll include it in another before I sleep.
Grogu:
Yes. I'm extremely over Avocado's bullshit. It's constant. Every. Fucking. Round.
He's clearly conspiring with Bard/T&H to get the Prime Idol every time it's up BTW. So like, if he survives this round, guess what? He probably gets the idol again next round. Boom, another round where Avo can't be targeted, another round where he/Bard/T&H control everything.
I definitely have lost trust with T&H over time hearing how they're playing both sides and making it seem like they want to cut Bard and Avocado's throats and work with me but then they run back and tell Bard/Avo everything anybody says and blame it on others (like they're doing with you/Maggie right now). Like it's very clearly coordinated that Avo is blaming you and T&H is blaming Maggie.
Rey/Cleric are gonna be needed to be on board here with any plan and with how inactive they've been I don't have full confidence they'll be around. Me, you, Maggie, Rey, and Cleric are enough to control the entire vote and we have items on our side as well, I don't think the other side has any advantages.
Bees?:
It's never stopped being a problem. And I frankly don't want to deal with it any longer, I just don't. I'm so done.
Yep, that sounds about right. Like, considering the focus of the trio keeps falling on him, keeping him with the idol makes sense. But he can't have it this time, and I'd really like to just make him go away. I'm not really willing to put him off yet another round. Just no.
Mm considering that yeah, they're really playing all sides makes me unsure of them. I think they might actually want to get rid of them but they want to time it just right, but like, no the time is now. And I'm sick of their shit. It's very coordinated. And weirdly, I think Bard isn't actually fully in on the smear campaigns there, but I am also unsure.
Well I think if we give them another option, they'd do it. Like Rey and Maggie are close, we know that. Cleric probably just wants to stay alive, and considering he's gonna be the vote if returnee round happens, I imagine he'd be open to other thoughts. And I agree, we do have items. In fact, that's like 95% of the reason returnees are being pushed, cuz y'all have the items and oh no scaaaary. Only Bard has the shard. Avo and T/H didn't win anything. T/H and Bonobo both bid everything they had on the box I won. Avo only won the returnee box, nothing else. I do not recall what Bard has other than that idol shard.
Grogu:
Hey if you're down, I'm down. An Avo blindside would just be the chef's kiss fantastic end result for me this round, I'm sick of Avocado blatantly lying to me and having to act like I don't know he's doing it lmao.
Avo told me like three rounds ago he wants to go to Final 4 with me, him, Rey, and Cleric. Like okay dude. And he's telling me "I don't want to win I just want to get Top 6". Like that's a cute story but who tf actually believes that? I dunno. I'm OVER IT.
I mean, I have an extra vote. Maggie has an extra vote. That's... it I think? Rey and Bard have idol pieces. Honestly that's the grossest part of the game. We can't take out Bard without Rey getting an idol, and we can't take out Rey without Bard getting an idol. Possibly two? I think they both have the piece from the subforums plus the BTS idol pieces.
Bees?:
I am beyond down. I just don't want to play the pretend bullshit game anymore. I just don't. I'm tired of it, and I'm tired of being blamed for shit I'm not doing. Blame me for the shit I am, thanks.
Oh my god. That's just such bullshit. He has been saying he just wants to get as far as possible. I have noticed he does this thing where he'll say he's totally okay and cool with being voted for, if he has an idol or a way to get out of it. Which is a lot of why I was not about to vote for him during the tribes round. I don't even know if he realizes that he does that.
Oh I forgot you had an extra vote. I thought you had the tiebreaker one. Then yeah, like that's all we need to do. We don't even need rey or Cleric. And yeah it is pretty gross. We do know at some point they'll expire, right? So, that might just be what we'll have to do.
Grogu:
Yeah that's what I meant, extra vote thingie. It only matters if there's a tie but yeah.
I'm seeing what Rey/Maggie think since Rey's online now. I really hope we can get Cleric around but like, Cleric is tight with Avo so I don't fuckin' know anymore Bees.
Part of me feels like we let Cleric go then hit Avocado next round but the fucker could have an idol by then.
Bees?:
Ah yeah okay. I was gonna say that could be exciting if it's another thing.
Rey seems slightly defeated but that might be just RL stuff, but also sorta realizing that maybe T/H and Avo aren't her friends actually. She said she was gonna talk to Maggie. And idk about Cleric either man. Like, this could get weird.
See, we could let Cleric go, but like, mans keeps getting idols. I don't want to take the risk that he'll have it again. I just don't. I'm done with it.
Grogu:
Yeah. I'm like, now being pitched by Avocado on why I should go for Cleric because Cleric is apparently BFFs/in a duo with Bard now? I swear, Avocado sure does love to just throw names out wherever he wants. He claims if we vote Cleric off Bard is gonna be hella mad.
...nobody actually believes him right?
Like, surely everyone sees through that?
If Rey is down, plus me and you and Maggie, I think we should just all three throw our four votes on Avocado or Bard here and see what happens. I feel like people know the default plan is Avocado so if there's a sneaky idol floating around, Bard is safer. But if we think there's no sneaky idol happening, I'd much rather have Avo the fuck out of this game.
Bees?:
Oh my god, what? I mean, I know Cleric has mentioned Bard in a positive light but like fuck man. Avo is just ugh, infuriating. And so many people blindly believe his shit. It was one of the things Maggie and I were talking about last night. That when she heard that I was the main push on returnee round that she was going to do the smart thing and just ask me, since like, it seems a lot of shit keeps happening due to people not talking to each other and believing at face value what some people say.
What? Bard... wouldn't be mad about that. Like, I have a PM from Bard that is very *shrugs* this is fine. Like what? I guess if you look at a lot of this game you can see where Avo would believe that people don't compare notes or tell each other everything. It's honestly fair considering all of *gestures furiously at this game*.
I completely agree, like. Let's just yeet the fucker into the sun. And like, sure Bard could be safer, but that also brings out that idol problem again, remember? I just don't want to give Avo another idol shot, I'm DONE.
Grogu:
OKAY CONSIDER ME ON BOARD CHOO CHOO CHOOOOO
Rey also really wants Avo out and doesn't trust him at all
Bees?:
Oh thank god. Look, this round has been horribly quiet. I did that thing I sometimes do when I'm grumpy and put a Stubborn Vote in for Avo a while ago, hoping I wouldn't have to change it later. I just want it over with man, like.. I just want some guac, okay?
Grogu:
Maggie seems to want Avo but doesn't think we'd get Cleric on board for it.
I'm just telling Cleric that I am hearing his name a lot. Maybe we can convince Cleric to vote for Bard or something to save himself. Avo is in my inbox pitching me a Cleric vote.
I mean like maybe if me/you/Rey/Maggie vote together (hello that sounds like a beautiful Final 4 doesn't it maybe IDK thinking out loud here) then that's 4 Avo... if Avo/Bard/TH vote a returnee together that's 3 (probably for Cleric)... if we convince Cleric to vote Bard that's 1 Bard, that's enough
Or we just use Maggie's extra vote to guarantee the advantage this round
Bees?:
cI mean, I think we can get Cleric to do a name that isn't letting himself die. Like. I think we're right there.
Yeah, I was trying to talk to him earlier, but he hasn't said anything in a while which is very ._. Avo hasn't bothered to try to convince me further, probably thinks he doesn't need to bother.
It does sound really nice, I don't hate it. And yep, that's really all we need here. Not much, just gotta like actually vote together to make it happen.
That's also an option, like, we have several ways of doing this.
I figured out why this round seems so quiet and weird. Cleric says that Bard and Avo have been telling him that the vote is you all round and that you and Rey and everybody else are trying to vote him out. Also he's pissed that Bard told everybody about his vote nullifier.
Grogu:
Holy shit. I'm on mobile without power. Are they really saying that shit
Bees?:
That's what Cleric just said, yeah. He also said he was down to vote for Avo and put his vote there, but like idk man. But Maggie is saying she really doesn't trust T/H and really wants to vote there.
This round is being a whole lot of crazy atm. I'm trying to keep on top of it but like idk man.
Grogu:
I'll vote anywhere that ppl want tbh.
I think T&H is shady as fuck but I also am very tired of Avocados shit
Bees?:
I am also very tired of Avocado's shit, but you know what, he can't pull his shit without T/H. So yeah, like, I think if we follow Maggie we just might make this actually work out.
Grogu:
Hell yeah then I'm down to swap if you give me the signal
Bees?:
Yeah, I've told Maggie I'm willing to follow her so, I'll tell you if that's what she's doing.
Grogu:
Bard just made a vaguely threatening remark to me that he *hopes* it's not me but "things are up in the air"
Bees?:
Uh, that's real fucking gross. That's so gross. Nope. Nope. NOpe.
Grogu:
God I would much rather hit Avo or Bard here they're both so shifty but I just want to survive
Bees?:
Oh so would I. So would I. But we have to take the shots we got when we got them. T/H leaving does make Avo and Bard's reach a lot less. So, I'm gonna switch.
Grogu:
Okay sounds good. I'm fine with that
Bees?:
Crossing my feelers this doesn't all go to shit. But, I've switched.
Grogu:
Cue impending shitstornm...
Bees?:
Yeaaaah. It seems Bard knows about it, so like uh, it could be interesting. But like, we'll just have to see what all happens. This game has had people really bad about keeping things quiet, as well as giving all sorts of bad information and believing it. I've never been more tired. I also really hope your power comes back soon
Grogu:
I have an ice storm and a shit storm
Also I tried something here as a last minute effort... Sorry in advance if it falls through. I literally didn't have time to bring ppl in on it
Bees?:
Oh, alright. Well, we shall have to see.
Oh well, honestly? I can live with that.
Grogu:
Fucking sorry for not bringing you in on it. I was waiting on Cleric and Rey to confirm they could use items here and I didn't even change my vote until 4 minutes before Tc Or some shit
I can explain more when I'm not on mobile but basically it felt like next round would just be more poker between Avo/Bard and everyone else. Now T&H knows Avo helped organize a blindside on them.
Bees?:
Hey no, it's kind of okay. Honestly? Me not being in on the vote, might make it so other people see you and I as not close. So I'm not even mad. You didn't go home, I look like I was voting where I was told to and mislead, it's actually kinda okay. I know you have the whole under pressure thing going on rn.
You're honestly probably right. And yeah, Avo voted for T/H and T/H knows this so like hmmmmm. But wait, did you say Avo was organizing the blindside or?
Grogu:
Uh in my inbox yes, Avocado was the one telling me I needed to get on board with the T&H thing. Maggie was the one who suggested it but Avocado took it and ran with it, at least from my POV. And I think that's the narrative T&H needs to hear, that it was either Maggie or Avocado or some form of both. We can line up our stories that way.
Speaking of which... any interest in trying to secure the Prime Idol for ourselves this round? We can coordinate guesses and try to get closer to the avg that way.
Bees?:
Neat. That's real neat. Like I do know t/h knows Avo was in on voting for him. Avo also said he only got involved in the last hour. And T/H was always voting Rey like they had said they were going to at one point when they looked at Rey being all AFK. And I've already said that I was following Maggie on it all, which was true in fact, so it's not actually a story
I would love to have that idol where I can keep my eye on it, yes.
Grogu:
Well if T&H knows, then good. Avo was certainly not involved in the last hour, he was pitching me for SEVERAL hours before the end of TC that T&H was the right move and not Bard. Which was sort of the reason I jumped on the Bard plan when it was presented because fuck I just wanted to screw over Avocado lol
Okay so let me do some MATH about the expected averages based on submissions far and maybe you/me can cover the averages with our guesses?
Bees?:
Yeah, it's all something. I did like how Avo was like "i was a little less than fond of you because you werent' giving me much of anything" and I was just like, well no shit I wasn't, you've used everything I've ever told you to push your narratives. Bard makes sense really, as does screwing over Avo.
Sure, but isn't it like the median submission, not the average that wins it? And yeah, I'd be super down for that.
Grogu:
Eh for the purposes of the guesswork aren't the median and mean gonna basically be the same? Since we only have two inputs? If you're better w/ number than I am feel free to help me out here lmao
BETTER WITH NUMBER, SAID GROGU, LIKE A CAVEMAN
The prime number closest to the average will win this idol for the upcoming Tribal Council! After the Tribal Council has completed, the wonderful staff will tell you the highest and lowest prime numbers guessed for the last round, then the guessing will begin again! If the idol is used, it will be removed from the game for a round before being able to be handed out again.
Okay sorry for spam but also I'm pretty sure you are now the last target on anybody's radar which lets me breathe just ever so slightly easier next TC. Like literally every other person in the game has big reasons to be targeted but who is going to be mad or target you? You were totally not responsible for the clusterfuck of last round, nope, not at all... it's a narrative of "T&H got targeted by Maggie and Avocado. The returnees did some stupid overplaying bullshit."
I guess my adrenaline got going and now that my HOME IS WARM AGAIN it's all rushing from the end of that TC
Bees?:
Grogu, babe:
"Hello everyone! In order for our construction crew to be able to do the required math and not quit their jobs (Have you seen a block of wood do math before?), we're going to change picking averages to picking the median.
With this new information, you may resubmit if you wish."
But honestly for guess work, yeah going near the middle isn't the worst plan really. I submitted that way a few times, never picked up the idol.
Haha, I mean, that's probably a good thing. Nobody is mad at poor misled bees. Which also kinda doesn't make me feel super great, but hey. I'll take it.
Grogu:
I never said reading was my strong suit...................
Bees?:
Haha, I know. I reread things like twenty times. I feel you.
Grogu:
Okay sooo IDK how to do the first one but
11,170
10,104
7,956
5,235
8,268
6,927
8,316
59,815
13,572
11,271
8,820
These are all the averages thus far. If we take them all into account... the average is 13,769. Which is honestly probably an outlier bc of the 59k round. If we remove that round... 9,164 is the overall average. Which one should we go with?
Bees?:
I think we just ignore that first one, and the 59 round because those had extremes to purposefully fuck with stuff.
It's funny, for a lot of the rounds, I was putting a number near what the average of the previous round had been, and that didn't exactly work. But I think go for two numbers near 9164 is probably a good thought. Though hm, we may want to make sure that it isn't less than people have put into a round. Like last round, that low end number is the one I went with and that apparently wasn't good enough with people shifting the numbers higher.
Grogu:
Right so... if we both play like, maybe +/- 1000 from 9164?
Ok so I submitted 7109... maybe you wanna submit on the other side of 9164, so maybe like 10687 on your end? I think it pushes the average out a bit and accounts for anyone lowballing like they did last time.
Bees?:
Yeah, I was going to say I wanna go for a higher than average number. So works for me
Sorry about not getting back to you til today, I kinda needed to step away from the game for a bit.
Grogu:
Dude it's fine I hate that this is still going lol
Aight I'm gonna submit that then and you go higher and we cross our fingers?
Bees?:
Hahahaha, Fair. I more hate that the same situation is ongoing, like come on, can't we just poke a hole in some narrative so the whole thing can finally deflate? That would be so neat and great.
Yeah, here's to hoping. *crosses all our feelers*
Grogu:
What situation is ongoing?
Bees?:
Oh, just Avo existing. Only that one.
Grogu:
LMAO I love that his existence is a "situation"
Bees?:
Haha, I thought you'd like that.
But Grogu my friend, where do we go from here? What's the plan? Cuz while I can't blame you for not letting me in on everything, you also left Maggie in the dark, and don't we kind of need her? Rey also lied to my face, and she's done this several times. So like, while I trust you, the other people involved in that vote out I don't trust nearly so much. So, what's the plan?
Grogu:
Yeah I hear you... I don't know exactly.
I figure Avo/T&H still have a target on them.
Maggie herself is seen as the mastermind who plotted the whole T&H thing.
So like... Rey and Cleric don't talk to me very much. They're being very goaty goats right now not really talking to anybody and just peacing out from the game altogether. They don't have any allies it seems. Rey/Maggie were BFFs, but it seems Maggie is miffed at Rey now too, so that relationship is severed.
I think the plan here is do what we can to survive. I'll be honest, I'm pretty terrified of Maggie making it to Final 5 right now? Like, look at the jury. Bonobo? Maggie ally. Droids? Good relationship with Maggie. Dave? Maggie's #1. Bard? Also good relationship with Maggie. I feel like Maggie just wins the game at this point and that's kinda scary, but Bard was in the same boat as Maggie IMO, where they were both scary to win.
So I guess...DO WE need Maggie all the way down the line? Avocado is already talking me up about how scary Maggie is. T&H are terrified of her. People seem to realize she has friends on the jury.
If we get to Final 5... me, you, and either Rey or Cleric can just make a pact and go to the end? What're your relationships with them like? We need a goaty goat in F3 with us I think so we can more clearly establish our cases.
Bees?:
Probably yeah, and I mean, she kinda was. It wasn't really going to be T/H except she wanted it.
Yeah, that does seem to be what they're doing like a lot. And no, it doesn't seem like they've retained too many friends. I like talking to Cleric but I don't know that I can trust him whatsoever.
Okay yeah, that I understand. That's honestly pretty fair. Maggie making the end is no bueno. I guess it's less we need Maggie as much as it is, I know she hasn't lied to me about a round yet and kept me informed, while literally everyone else here has. Make sense? I do think she should not get near the end, but frankly, most people around likely shouldn't make the end, not really.
My relationships with Rey and Cleric are shit. Rey doesn't talk to me, except apologies for not talking and then sorta telling me some of what she's heard, but either it's lies or she's going to take anything I've said and leak it to tons of other people. So, that's a nonstarter for me really, I can't trust her. She has never given me any reason to do so. Cleric, idk, we at least talk and send each other silly cat pictures but I'm not close really. And I always feel like an afterthought when it comes to what he's thinking and planning. So that's kinda where I'm at with it all. And you're not wrong that we do need some sort of goat.
Grogu:
Lol at least Cleric is talking to you. He literally won't message me ever unless it's like last-minute during TC.
Maggie also hasn't lied to me, I hear you. I trust her when she tells me shit. That's exactly why I'm nervous about it lol, I know I'd vote for her at the end to win, and there are lots of others too. I think everyone here has played really diff games that could all win. T&H is the UTR strategic threat, Maggie is the social mastermind, Avocado is cutthroat and cunning, I've got a redemption story, you've played a great social game and managed to not be targeted for a vote once, Rey is making plays left and right and probably has some idols in her pocket... and Cleric is kinda just a goat I guess? Or at least I"m not clued in to Cleric's gameplay here. But I've seen juries vote for the goat just to spite people before you know? And Cleric has the memey story of coming back 3 or 4 times.
So, I hear you here. I wanna figure out what you feel comfortable with. I'm FAIRLY certain we could work with Cleric here. Maggie just asked me if I wanted to F4 and who I would want to do it with and I said you. I also threw Rey's name out there since I know Maggie/Rey are (were?) close and figured she might like that. But we both kinda gotta agree on any configuration at the end that makes us both happy here.
Bees?:
I get cat gifs dude, idk if that really counts as communication. They're at least cute?
Yeah I get that. I will say though that Maggie definitely is getting wind of your worry about her, or just people in general worrying about her. Like Cleric is telling people that t/h is talking about being worried about her. So while being wary of her is good, she might be someone not to focus on this round cuz smart money is to have her protected, she's managed prime idol before. But anyways, yeah I think you're right, I think everybody could make a case to win. So it's looking at who has a case that isn't a threat to what we got. And yep, I've also seen spite votes for a goat. I've also seen people bomb FTC so hard and offend people, that they'll vote the goat for at least being nice and least bad. So really, it just all depends. I don't feel like this jury is one I can predict what they will do.
Okay well, I think we could work with Cleric here, you're not wrong. But idk man, he worries me. I think you may be right that Maggie is a worry to have at the end, but I do like her as getting slightly more focus, and at the very least, if she's going to do anything, she's likely going to end up needing to use one of us to do so. So she feels easier to predict overall I guess. I do think that for your safety, one of the returnees has to go sooner rather than later. else I think you're likely to be a huge target. Or at least a good fake target to flush items or something. Idk though, I think immunity really factors into the best plans. There's a lot of routes that you and I can take.
Grogu:
Well congrats!! 9 minutes is so fast. Though I'd say you needed it the least outta everyone here.
Idk how Maggie is getting wind of that..I've only said anything about her to you. T&H is definitely talking her up though and so is Avocado.
I'm down to make a move where you think it makes sense this round. Cleric or Rey could work. I mean look, I hate that Avo is vulnerable and might not get targeted again, but I'm wanting to be a passenger for whatever you want this round
Bees?:
Thanks. I do a lot of crosswords, and I was paying attention cuz I actually assumed what would happen was I'd be set up to do a very long run and then they'd add in other things you had to do at various times, and would make things be faster. I liked what happened better. And yeah, I probably didn't need it so much. But I wasn't trying for immunity either.
That would be cuz they both told her that it was happening. I know T/H said to Cleric what was up, and then Avo was saying you were running her up as a target.
I'm thinking here. I am not sure what I want to do quite yet, and yes, I also kind of hate that. But I wouldn't be shocked if the idol ended up with him. I didn't get it unfortunately.
Grogu:
Avocado is such a piece of shit
Bees?:
And it seems he picked up the idol *again*. At least, that's what he's saying.
Grogu:
I want to cry, Bees. I really do.
Who the fuck is coordinating with him to do this shit?
Nobody has PMed me all TC except you so I'm assuming I'm the target.
Bees?:
I'm sorry
I'm not even sure how he managed to snag it. It probably won't help, but I haven't heard much of anything from anybody either. Like, everybody left after results. I don't think it is going to be you though. I'm guessing the actual vote target is someone among Rey, Cleric, or Maggie. And Maggie is only if there's a sudden blindside.
Grogu:
Well, Maggie just PMed me saying she assumed T&H would be going after her this round.
T&H seems to be floating a Rey vote.
Honestly from my perspective... those are the only two votes I can really entertain! Rey has oodles of idols, Maggie has an extra vote and is a huge threat. You're immune, Avocado has the Infinite Prime Idol apparently, and Cleric feels like a very wasted vote this round (one that I would vote for, to be clear, but I don't foresee others really wanting to get in on the Cleric wagon here). T&H is the outside option, and he's someone I can see beating me at Final Tribal Council for sure because he's played a very UTR/impressive game... but it feels like that's a "can be dealt with later" thing and not really a "has to be dealt with at F7" thing?
I just think if we go into F6 or F5 with Maggie's extra vote + Rey's idol(s?) in play, we're gonna have a very bad time.
Bees?:
Well, she did try to blindside T/H last time, and Cleric did already say that T/H was floating her as the bigscarybad.
T/H wanted to vote Rey out last time, cuz she's never here.
Yup, that's roughly exactly how I see the board being set right now. I would like to see it be Rey, though I feel this could be a ploy to flush her idols by having it get back to her. Just idk man, I can't do fuckall with Rey, I wouldn't complain if she left. Okay so question, if Maggie were to use her vote this round, would she be nearly as scary and need to be dealt with? I also feel you on Cleric, he's not a terrible vote, but he's like the guy people could be fine with if he leaves but won't actively be trying to target. T/H is 100% a later problem. Additionally, keeps saying that you are not a vote out option for them, so like hm
Yes, I agree. If we can't the people out, can we at least flush their items? That might be the way to go. It's entirely possible we could get Maggie to do something we're actually into.
Grogu:
That's fair. You had also said that she heard *I* was floating her as "big scary bad" which... I only said to you, so like, wondering why she thinks that you know? I guess someone's making up some bullshit *again*. Or if you told her I was feeling that... you can tell me that, I just want to know where it's coming from?
T&H definitely seem hot and heavy on Rey, so that doesn't surprise me.
I guess I'm happy to hear that I don't seem like an option for them? IDK why that's "hm" to you lol, like, I hope people aren't wanting to target me here! I assume they either think I'm easy to beat or a shield for them, but whatever, I'll take wins where I can get them. I understand your feelings towards way -- I was quite frustrated last round when she floated this "epic" plan and then didn't show up for forever.
Hmm if Maggie used the extra vote then... that certainly takes the IMMEDIACY off of it I guess? But do you still want to sit at the end with Maggie? Honest question. I guess I view her as such a threat that I have a hard time seeing a winning case against her but I admit that I've possibly been skewed by T&H/Avocado/Bard/Droids preaching the Maggie gospel
Bees?:
Avocado said it to her. He straight up said that you are floating her name. I've said the opposite, cuz she mentioned that she was talking a bit to you where she wasn't sure if you wanted to go to the end with her or not but she was just smiling and nodding along just in case you were pushing her. Which I said that I thought maybe you might actually mean it, because you've said before that she's honest and hasn't misled you at all. Which, you did say, so she's a little less worried about whether you actually are doing this and if it's just an Avocado lie.
Oh yeah no, they want Rey to be gone. One of Rey or Cleric, that's their ideal. Or so they're saying to me.
So sometimes when I'm PMing, I say the words out loud? And sometimes I end up typing the sounds I make as I do it and sometimes they don't actually fit what I mean >.> That was one of those times. Nobody's wanting to target you, or if they are, they aren't telling me about it. Was Bard largely a her plan not just you? Interesting. She did actually apologize for not saying anything to me, cuz there really wasn't any reason why she didn't need to tell me and perhaps it was an oversight on her part. Which lol okay whatever.
No, I don't. Because you're right, she has tons of friends in that jury. And she's Maggie, she's charming as fuck. I just at least know where I stand with her. I think she is one that will have to go, and should not be sitting near that end. I've felt that way for a while, and that hasn't changed even though I thought we needed her for a little.
Grogu:
Lol okay then, fuck Avocado.
Full stop: Avocado tried to make a Final 3 deal with me like four rounds ago. It was after the Ranger vote. And he's been going on and on and throwing everybody else under the bus. And while I don't really trust him I've been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but literally everything he says contradicts what you tell me. And I trust you way more than him at this point. He keeps pressing me for what I want to do, and I say things like, "Oh well, T&H said Maggie is a big mastermind or whatever so maybe T&H will push her this round". It's not me pushing for Maggie. It's Maggie getting pushed by T&H, and Avocado turning that somehow into me pushing for Maggie.
Time. After time. After time. Avocado just twists and perverses words from people. He does it to you. He does it to me. He does it to Rey. I swear to god, the fact he had the Prime Idol this round just eats me alive. I cannot stand it. It's going to burn me up, on a personal level, letting him survive this round while I have to take out someone I genuinely like.
T&H indicated to me they want Rey gone, but that you seem to want Cleric?
And yeah, I mean, it was sort of a joint thing but she was the one who pushed it finally? Lots of back and forth about how it was heading towards T&H, but like, we really preferred Bard... then oh no T&H found out and Bard found out... then last minute it all came together. But without Rey it never happened and the choice was "act now, apologize later" so to speak.
I do just wonder what's going to happen this round. You're immune. Avo has the Prime Idol. From my perspective, that leaves Maggie, Cleric, Rey, or T&H. Now, Cleric told me that he has an idol shard from the auction. IDK if that's true. What I think is that he/Rey probably have one idol between them. So this becomes a game of "guess the 50/50 and hope we're right". Which could be fine. But I'm wondering how/if a vote split might happen this round. Maggie's extra vote could hedge our bets between the two of them.
Bees?:
I wondered about that. It seemed he had a lot more information about things you were thinking that I thought he should actually have. Yeah that's kinda what happened to me last round, during the Bonobo vote I agreed that yeah maybe a returnee round is necessary, which he then took to the next round to make it seem like I wanted it to be that. It's what he does. He does it to everybody, hell I mentioned it in a PM and he was like "yeah that's fair, but I've also been a target for a while sooo" which like, okay but you know why you've been a target right buddy? It's cuz you do shit like that. I mean, I wanted him last round and we both said that we knew if he made it past the round he was likely to pick up the idol again. We *knew* this was going to happen.
Uh, I'm indifferent either way. I just know the worries are both of their items, so like we can burn the items and/or them, and I'm a happy camper.
Yeah, that's honestly very fair. And I could tell it was very much a needed Rey to be involved thing.
Fuck if I know man. Everyone seems super tense. I do think some sort of vote split is the smartest way to avoid all of that, but it all depends on whether certain people end up lying about what they're doing. Which has sorta been a trend lately.
Grogu:
I am currently taking on the Herculean task of convincing Rey the best move is to let Cleric die and not idol him because otherwise she'll just be a big target next round. If she agrees we can do what we want with that information.
Cleric apparently got items in Exile, btw, or at least that's what he's claiming. Convenient. I feel like we can just force this through though. Rey isn't gonna blow an idol on Cleric when she's this close to being at the endgame.
Bees?:
Mm good luck, I don't know that anyone can convince Rey of anything. But if anyone is going to have a shot, it'll be you. But I mean Avo still alive will likely draw the ire of everyone cuz he's still here.
Ah, that kinda makes sense. And yeah, I think you're right, why would she protect him?
Grogu:
I HAVE to feel like Avo is plotting with SOMEONE to get those numbers every time. It's insane how he's doing it.
Anyway, Rey is actually seemingly realizing next round is just fucked if she uses an idol here to save Cleric? So like, yeah, this might actually be doable.
Bees?:
Oh absolutely. You can't get the idol that many times without knowing numbers, you just can't. And it's really annoying.
Okay, good. That sounds really good. I haven't heard anything to imply there's going to be some sneaky play, it does legitimately sound like it's a solid send one of Cleric/Rey home deal.
Grogu:
BTW, I'm trying to sort out items:
Box 11: Idol Piece - Dark Rey
Box 10: Tribe Avoidance - Dark Rey
Box 9: Extra Vote - Grogu - USED
Box 8: Idol Piece - Bard - GONE
Box 7: Exile Maker - Droids - USED
Box 6: ???? - Droids
Box 5: Idol Detector - Bard - GONE
Box 4: ???? - Bees
Box 3: ???? - Dave
Box 2: Extra Vote - Maggie
Box 1: Individual Immunity - Bees
Can you fill in any of the blanks? You haven't told me what your item is which is fine if you wanna keep it close to the chest, I wouldn't say a word to anybody. I'm just trying to make extradoublesure that we can't get fucked if we vote split.
Bees?:
Wait, was the Exile Maker what happened with Maggie? I thought Droids didn't use it and it either was sent to you or died with them. I have no idea what Dave ended up with, he never said. I did tell you what I have actually, but it's incredibly situational and I only have the first 2 hours of TC to ever figure out if I want to use it, and it's never been helpful so I haven't. But if you don't remember, I'm gonna keep what it is to myself.
I don't think we can be fucked. Cleric's been claiming he has a vote nullifer, but did he use that already? Cuz he told Bard he had it and Bard told other people.
Grogu:
OH SAFETY WITHOUT POWER. You did tell me that actually.
And yeah, sorry, I *do* have the item from Droids, it's not used. Bad copy/pasting job on my end. If I vote someone and they don't get eliminated they get exiled. Which like, seems extremely hard to use? But doing it in conjunction with your safety without power might be a pretty cool move I guess.
I just realized too, Dave had a challenge advantage. So that clears that one up too.
Droids had... something, right? I'm trying to remember. Outside of the Exile thing there was something else I just do not recall.
Box 11: Idol Piece - Dark Rey
Box 10: Tribe Avoidance - Dark Rey
Box 9: Extra Vote - Grogu - USED
Box 8: Idol Piece - Bard - GONE
Box 7: Exile Maker - Droids - USED
Box 6: ???? - Droids
Box 5: Idol Detector - Bard - GONE
Box 4: Safety Without Power - Bees
Box 3: Challenge Advantage - Dave
Box 2: Extra Vote - Maggie
Box 1: Individual Immunity - Bees
The vote nullify came from Exile.
And yes I can confirm Cleric passed Rey the nullifier last round. So unless he has two, it's safe.
Bees?:
Yes I did, and you're the only person I've told and I intend to keep it that way.
Droids had the exile vote thing and then didn't they have an extra vote or something? I don't remember. But I could have sworn there was a thing they used and then a thing they passed to you. But like, straight up, I'm fucking exhausted today so brain isn't working super smartly.
Oh interesting, I didn't know he passed it. Okay then.
Grogu:
Well I haven't told anyone!
I honestly forgot I even knew about it lol. Makes sense.
I swear Droids had something they used too but I honestly cannot remember> I've just got the exile thing.
So T&H is telling me we should split the votes. 3-2. Thoughts?
Bees?:
Safest person to tell apparently, if you forgot
IT WAS A VOTE STEAL! I remember, because they used it on Bard, because it was going to be sad but funny if they stole Bard's vote and made him vote himself out.
I'm also hearing that, it's probably the safest way? Takes out the worry of that 50/50. I'm into it.
Grogu:
Ahaha, tell me your deepest darkest secrets, that way NOBODY knows it and YOU feel better having it off your chest!
Sorry, I am like, just barely here. Sundays are always my "do shit I should've done during the week" days so my short responses are indicative of me sitting at the computer for like 5 minutes at a time while I do laundry and clean and shit.
VOTE STEAL. Yes, that was it. Shit. Okay that mystery is solved.
The only thing I'm concerned about is if like, Maggie + Avocado decide to both vote for me to try to pay me back for going with Rey/Cleric last round? But like. Yeah. I guess that's probably paranoia. I have no idea where Rey/Cleric are going to go here.
Bees?:
Okay, if you're sure? *takes in a deep breath* I have a confession here..... I'm really only 2 bees, not several. Wow it does feel good to get that off our chest.
Nah it's all good, Sunday is typically like that. I'm also like hella tired so I'm not super here either. And yeah like, that's kinda how I always PM. "okay do some work, and then check-in if I have messages, repeat"
So really, there's very little to fuck anything up, right?
Avo might, but I highly doubt that Maggie would do it with him. No way. That's definitely paranoia my dude. I don't know where they're going either.
I think what I'm gonna do is just go and vote Cleric.
Grogu:
AHAHAHA. You almost gave me a heart attack I thought you were about to confess something like "I'm actually voting you out this round, everybody is, goodbye Grogu". Goodness.
The only thing that could possibly fuck us up is:
- Idol play
- Unknown exile items coming into play like the vote nullifier
That's it. I think that makes sense to just go ahead and do that. I'm trying to get an idea where Rey's head is at right now to figure out if there's some secret counterpush.
Avocado has also not messaged me at all this TC.
Bees?:
Hahaha, oh no, dude, I would never tell you that way. Also, no, that's not a thing which is happening. Look, I've been through far too much this game with you to even think of pulling something like that. So if it's a thing which happens, it won't be because I'm involved.
Yeah exactly, that's about it. So like, it shouldn't be something which causes any problems, or if problems were going to happen, they were going to happen anyways.
Rey seems to think it's just going to be her, and she's especially concerned because she's got to leave soon. So like if a counterplay happens, it won't be cuz she's made it happen.
I heard from him at the start of the round when he picked up the idol, but I've heard fuckall since. Which really is just how we operate at this point.
Grogu:
I'm definitely side-eyeing the fact Cleric and Avocado haven't bothered to PM me this entire TC and I'm not fucking happy about it. But I see them online literally all the time. It's nerve-wracking.
I'm voting for Rey here per what T&H told me to do, but I have an interesting question: should I use the exile item?
My thought is... if Rey has an idol and is bold enough not to use it here, then it locks it away for a round where there will be NO PRIME IDOL and NO REY IDOL which means we could actually feasibly finally take the shot at Avocado that we want to take. If Rey has an idol and does use it... great, then she's still out of the picture for next round and we can make a move all the same.
It expires next round so if I'm gonna use it, it might as well be now
Bees?:
I've had nothing PMs from them. Like nothing game related from Cleric, and like half of something from Rey a bit ago. But not hearing from them is just par for the course for me at this state.
Hm, you know, that's actually a super good idea. I like it. It takes idols completely out for a round. And then I imagine, the round after is the last for idols anyways. That's a really good plan.
I have til F5 to use my thing.
Grogu:
I sorta wish you had just safety'd me this round lol I am running on high nervousness this round.
Like from a blunt standpoint... why would T&H/Avo/Maggie/you trust that I'd vote with you here and not just be the third vote for Rey/Cleric's little deal?
I obviously am with you but the way everyone is just like "yep, let's split the vote on a very tight margin with Grogu who just voted with Rey and Cleric last round" is a little weird right? It definitely makes me feel like something is up.
Guhhhhhhh. What if we're the only two votes on Cleric?
Bees?:
Honestly, I almost did, but then I had to do some RL stuff and the moment passed. Like I hate that there's such a tight deadline on when I can use it. It's so much shit.
Idk man, I just know i trust you and that's just how I'm playing it all.
It is a little weird, but I guess you've sorta done a lot of willing to do other things vibe I guess? I will admit I'm not awake enough to really think about this too strongly.
I certainly hope not. I would super hate that.
Grogu:
I'm gonna spend the next hour freaking out it's nbd. This feels like the weirdest TC. Avo just PMed me to be like "oh btw I have the Prime Idol" and I'm like thanks dude, everyone has known for like 24 hours now and you wait until an hour before TC to tell me
Bees?:
It does feel super weird, and I don't like it. Plus side, I'm too tired to be stressed! I just skipped straight to resigned. Wow, that's so kind of him to tell you. Oh no, now you're going to have to scramble off of your planned vendetta vote. Oh wait..
Grogu:
Must be nice to be immune. >.<
Wait hang on
Avocado is claiming you coordinated with him and T&H and Maggie last round to make sure he got the Prime Idol???????????????
Bees?:
It really is. Super nice, I'm quite a fan of it. I'm sorry you're not though
I don't know if it's comforting at all, but all I'm hearing is solid cleric/rey plan. And disgruntlement with Avo. So like, I think it'll be okay?
Of course he is. No, the last thing I wanted was for Avo to have the idol. I don't know if the others coordinated with him, but no way in fuck would I want him to actually have shit and actually help to make that happen.
Grogu:
I think Rey is going to idol me
Yeah Avo literally straight up said the reason he told you about the idol and not me is bc he coordinated with you on securing it last round.
Bees what the hell is going on lol
Bees?:
*snorts* Of course he did. Nah, I wanted that idol with you or me, no way would I work with him for it. That would be really nice of Rey to do that actually. Might be a good call, though if they're blindsiding you, nobody told me or Maggie(I say this because Maggie has yet to lie to me and has said she's on Cleric).
Grogu:
So Avocado is just *literally* making shit up now? like not even a hint of truth, just like, full on crazytown making up bullshit?
Bees?:
I'm not involved in him having the idol, no. I wouldn't be surprised if T/H always was. No clue about Maggie.
Grogu:
Buuuut you were involved with coordating WITH Avocado to get the idol it's just that Avocado fucked you over, correct?
Bees?:
I did know he was coordinating, but you and I were too. And I submitted with all of that information hoping the idol would actually end up with us, you know I hate Avocado existing especially with an idol. I submitted what you and I had agreed on, 10687. I was never working to actually let him have it. When it ended up with him anyways, that's why I told you.
Grogu:
Yeah, T&H and Maggie also confirmed that you four had a group chat to keep it away from us this round
FEELS SORTA BAD MAN IDK
I'm sure I'll get over it but I'm now pretty scared I'm the target this round here. Esp when Maggie's telling me T&H/Avo are trying to turn her against me and Cleric isn't even online at deadline
Bees?:
I was trying to get it for you and I, using what they said to keep both you and I safe, but it didn't play out that way man. You know I don't like Avocado and never have.
Grogu:
I don't know what the fuck anymore man
Maggie is telling me people have been talking shit to her about me, T&H has been promising me to go to the end together the entire game, Avocado says he's trying to turn over a new leaf then goes off telling people he doesn't wanna speak to me and is just gonna ignore me
For all their faults Rey and Cleric haven't lied to me once this game so it sucks I feel like I'm trading away the people who haven't bitten me in the ass for the people who all created a 4 person group chat to conspire you know
Anyway I'm just mopey, it's Sunday and the week starts tomorrow.
Bees?:
T/H has been pretty solid about saying you weren't an option for a vote, and like, that's not something that's changed either. Maggie, idk. Avo is just always gonna be Avo.
I didn't create the chat, and I was more there to try to know what the fuck was going on so you and I could get ahead of it. But I should have told you that I was there beforehand. And I am sorry that I didn't.
I understand.
Grogu:
Rey told me she was going to idol Cleric so I idoled as well. I told T&H I was going to because I was panicking.
You can be mad at me or whatever. I've avoided getting online because I hated last TC and I hate Avocado so. fucking. much. for making me freak out just before deadline. So like good job to him I guess or whatever. Fucking Christ I hate this game.
Bees?:
Dude, I'm not even mad at you. I'm really not. Like, you're not a problem in all of this. I am and always have been mad at Avocado. We'd already talked about the fact that Maggie going to end game was going to be shit for us both, we already talked about that. I can't blame you for shifting it to her. I can't blame you for protecting yourself either, I would have done the same. Hell I almost started out the round just doing that. So I get it.
That being said, where does that leave us?
Grogu:
You have the safety without power item.
If you want to use it, this is the round to do it IMO. Use it on me. Because then you remove a returnee from the equation and the rest of you can take out a returnee like you all want to do so much.
I currently hold the vote nullifier too. So if you send me on a vacation, you also send the nullifier away and I can't pass it.
Rey told me this plan to come into this round and use the nullifier to get a 3-2 advantage, then do it again at Final 5. I knew you had the Safety item but I didn't tell her because she would've kept the idol. I played my idol just in case votes were thrown my way.
I am so just frustrated Bees that it's hard not to just cry lol. This game has been fucking brutal, and Avocado's continued presence in the game makes it excruciating. I was totally on board to just do the fucking vote split like we fucking planned and then he told me about your secret group and how you were all plotting against me and it got me thinking, if they're lying about that, what else would they be lying to me about this round? And I just couldn't trust there were no votes coming my way.
I was wrong.
Bees?:
I do, and I was definitely considering it, yeah. But additionally I just want Avo gone, so gone, and I don't want to give him another chance to touch that goddamn stupid idol again. I don't want to take out a returnee for the sake of it. I wanted to do the move to keep the target so much less on you. And hopefully also away from me. That was it. I've meant what I've said, you're who I want to take places man.
But okay, I will definitely think about it. I just also didn't want to use the item in a way that it would fuck you over by doing so, it's why I haven't touched it.
I know, I really am too. This has been one of the hardest and most grueling games I have ever played. I know you were. I have never been plotting against you, not once. No I haven't told you everything all the time, but I've not tried to do anything to undermine you or take you out. I want you here, and I want that to keep being the thing. I also completely understand why you would think votes were coming your way. I'm pretty sure what Avo was doing was to try to get as many items burned as he possibly could. And he did, he managed that.
Grogu:
That's because Avo is an evil genius.
It's a touchy situation. If you want Avo out, I'm a vote in that favor. But I think you can do it without me too.
Avo just told me if I vote him out this round he won't vote for me on the jury.
Okay dude. Go fuck yourself.
Bees?:
Yes, yes he is. And I want to murder his face. Also he apparently hates me, so that's been fun to hear secondhand. Which, you know what, good.
Yeah, I know. That is probably the case. I'm just thinking ya know? Its' been a touchy situation for a while which is why it's stayed in my pocket so I didn't use it on a round and regret I didn't have it later.
*snorts* Of course he did. He's such a vortex of shit.
Grogu:
I don't even know anymore ab Avo. People have known he's a gigantic piece of shit since the merge? And yet he's still here? So like, whose fuckin plans is Avocado in and why don't I know about it? lol. It's suspicious how he keeps surviving. Almost like some people really believe he'd be easy to beat at the end.
Are you kidding me tho? I'd vote for Avo if he makes it. Being such a slime guzzling piece of shit the entire game and making it to the end is the type of villainy that makes Survivor great. I'd have voted for Johnny Fairplay in real Survivor if he made it too, dead Grandma lie and all.
I feel the most ok with you compared to anyone else in the game. I just don't know what's gonna happen here.
I do know if I'm gone, you have your options to either take out Avocado OR take out a returnee, no problem either way.
T&H is so pissed at me. And he's like "great so you're going to the end with Cleric and Rey". And I cannot tell him... no I'm not because you've got the Safety Without Power to keep numbers. But then T&H said he might just want Avocado out anyway bc he's pissed at Avo.
Bees?:
Honestly? I think he's still here as the kind of goat that is assumed everyone will fucking hate and never vote for. But also he's got those real good powers of manipulation. I think he's been in T/H's plan for a while, but as the trashgoblin you keep to dump later or just have as the guy you can be like "look, y'all hate him, we all hate him, but if he makes it to the end in spite of that, that's bad. So boot him instead of me" or whatever.
Exactly though, like that's exactly it. I think he's in that sweetspot of, he draws targets forever, but if he's still around well, some people may still vote him or they may just be so turned off by his existence that they say nope. Eh, I'm really not into that kind of play. I wouldn't vote for it.
Okay, well that's good. I don't really know either, as it is, I've only heard from you and to a much lesser degree, T/H since results. I doubt I will hear fuckall from Avo. Rey maybe, cuz I did tell her the truth. And that is true, that does open up some options.
Yeah well, he just assumes he's going home 5th regardless and I'm right after. Which, considering some stuff, I do worry about that a lot. However, not so much that I have specific problems with you. And yeah, Avo has been screwing T/H for a long ass time.
Grogu:
It's just weird I do not see Avocado as a goat at all. I see him as toxic and antagonistic but someone who wields a lot of influence and gets people to do what he wants and gets info when he needs it. So strange to think of him as a goat. Different minds I guess.
Just keep me in the loop on if you're going to use the Safety thing. Because honestly if you want to guarantee a returnee goes, sending me away with the vote nullifier is the best way to do that. If you want to take a shot at Avo, you can totally do that too. You have a lot of sway/power this round.
Bees?:
I agree that he is very that, yes. But by goat I more mean the kind of person that has pissed off a whole jury. Like if it's a bitter jury and all, high possibilities that he could still be somebody people are pissed with. That being said, him making it to the end could also make people pissed off. So like eh. I'd rather he be dead.
Oh you'll know before I do it. And I know that. So just trying to think about what is best to do here overall. That's it. Which really is what I've always been doing.
Grogu:
FYI someone else I think Avocado told me your extra item is actually a bonus jury vote?
Obviously, you're lying to SOMEONE about it. If you are lying to me I don't care, I didn't tell you about my idol, it's fair play.
I have no idea what's going to happen this round. I anticipate people will still want a returnee gone, but I also think you vs Avocado is building up a bit? I mean really it's you AND T&H AND the entire game vs Avocado because everyone hates him, lol. I guess if he wins immunity and isn't an option that's gonna limit the options.
I guess also I just want you to use the item so I can finally explain to T&H why I knew things wouldn't really change that much when I made the play I did because they feel like I made a very dumb decision and I can't just yell at them and be like BUT BEES CAN SEND SOMEONE ON VACATION WHENEVER SO IT DOESN'T MATTER as;dlkfja;sldkfja;dslfjk
Bees?:
Oh my god, what? No. Oh my god. I hate this stupid game and stupid people in it.
No, I didn't tell T/H what it was that I had, and I have told nobody else but you. T/H does know what I have is incredibly situational, cuz it came up during the tribes phase. And it was something that they had tried to win and didn't. They assumed it was some sort of protection something, so they might be able to figure it out cuz they're not stupid. But they've also not pried about what it is.
Of course it is. Is that what Avo wants, a 1v1? Cuz like lol, alright there friend. If he wins immunity that is true, it is going to limit some shit. Though that does bring up a lot which kinda makes me laugh and I need to ask the mods if I can do it. If he does end up with immunity, what's to say I can't just safety without power him and make him not able to vote and do dumb shit for a round just to fuck with him. But no that's a terrible idea, it just makes me laugh a little.
Well I mean, do we trust T/H? We could just tell them, but pretty sure we don't so. Idk, a lot of this game is fucking stupid.
Grogu:
OH MY GOD.
SAFETY WITHOUT POWERING AVOCADO IF HE WINS IMMUNITYIS LITERALLY THE MOST INCREDIBLE THING I'VE EVER HEARD. AHAHAHAHAHAHA.
It's the equivalent of wiping your ass with a $100 bill that someone needs to pay their bills.
It's just immaculate.
Okay sorry. That's amazing. I know it's unlikely to happen but holy shit?
Iconic.
Okay anyway -- to the rest of your post!
Avocado claimed T&H told him your item was an extra jury vote.
So the options I see are:
* You didn't say that, T&H lied to Avocado, and T&H isn't trustworthy
* You didn't say that, T&H never said that to Avo, and Avo is just making shit up
* You did say that, T&H didn't lie to Avocado, and Avocado is reporting the truth
So like... I trust you more than anybody else in the game, so let's remove that option. If you look at The first two options, regardless of whether T&H or Avo is lying, the only reason Avo would have to tell me that is if they wanted a 1v1 with you? Though i'm reading a LOT into that so please don't take that as "Grogu is saying Avocado wants to 1v1 Bees". Avocado is (rightfully) hesitant with me so far this round.
Let me ask: what are the benefits to keeping the item a secret vs telling T&H?
Nobody can stop you from using it if you want. And doesn't it expire this round if you don't use it?
Bees?:
Haha, yes, thank you. That's exactly what I thought. I did actually ask the mods if this was allowed, gotta wait til tomorrow to get confirmation that it is, but it's always an option if they say yes
I am tempted just as a supreme get fucked. I came into this game with one goal, to be entertaining, and I'm not sure I'm living up to it if I'm not coming up with batshit ideas.
Lol no, bless him. I'm pretty sure it's 2. Or there's a 4th option where that's just the theory that T/H came up with and mentioned to Avo, which he's now bringing up as fact. But yeah no, that's a very good theory. Also he could be mad at me because I told you he had the idol last round, cuz like he did ask me about the fact it leaked so now he forever doesn't trust me and it's how he's coping with that shit, and hoping that maybe me not telling you about the one group chat means he can get you not to trust me and to want to boot me instead of him or some shit, idk. Either way, nah, I get that.
Honestly? I don't know that there are too many benefits to keeping it a secret anymore. It's also not like I can use it on myself, cuz I can't. I just knew that any item anybody else has ever had was leaked to everybody else, which is why I wasn't going to tell anybody. Hell I actually regretted telling you cuz oh no, what if you go and tell other people about it, but it seems you forgot. And also everybody kept being all "oh you have a secret item, huh?" and never mentioning anything of the sort to anybody else. It doesn't expire this round, no, it expires after F5. I have 2 rounds left that I can use it in.
Grogu:
I mean, you'd be dooming T&H if you sent Avocado away, probably? But like, goddamn, that'd be hilarious to watch. And then Avocado comes back at F5 and is promptly escorted out the door again. I *really* hope the Prime Idol is gone at Final 5 because if Avocado gets it again I am going to LITERALLY cry.
T&H made me belly laugh when I was like "So why is Avocado saying you all teamed up to give him the idol last round?" and T&H goes "Oh my dear Avocado, why dost thou torture me with thine presence" and despite the anxiety I had at the moment I laughed so hard I made water come out of my nose.
I'm guessing yeah, Avocado sees that he can make F4 with the returnees if he sides with us having all the "power" or whatever, and then he can fight it out at F4 to make it to F3. Because like... everyone wants a returnee or two alongside them at the end of the game, I get it, I know we're all prime material to drag to the end. So I guess he thinks by telling us about the "secret anti-returnee alliance" of you four it'll turn us against you and treat him as the savior for telling us?
Up to you if you wanna keep it a secret or not my guy, all up to you. Don't matter much to me -- would make my life with T&H easier, but if you're gonna use it anyway this round then they'll find out soon enough.
Bees?:
cHaha, I know. So I probably won't do that. But the thought is filling me with glee nonetheless. God, I hope so. But I have a feeling that's the last valid round for it.
Lol I had a similar sentiment from them. "Question: Why does Avocado exist?" to which I responded "Answer: Because y'all wouldn't let me kill him last round." It's not like I've been saying Avocado is a liability who only cares about himself for a long time or anything, nooo.
Yeah probably. Though he did send a PM that was like "so i was kind of an asshole last round, and maybe i should clear that up a bit. but like respond or not as you want" which is the least apologetic apology PM and I'm just, nah man, I'm done. And I think that's exactly his reasoning, yeah.
Eh, I think I'll just tell him. Cuz at this point, what does it matter? If I'm going to use it, it doesn't hit at deadline. It's whenever i use it before the timeline on it is up.
Grogu:
Prime Idol in Final 5.
Nothing to see here mods
Just cool people being cool
We love an idol being given out every round of the game.
I feel like I've been screeching about Avocado since... well, since he spread a buncha misinformation and got me voted out. And nobody has wanted to do much about it.
Oooh right, you have a few hours after deadline to figure out if you wanna use it or not, right. Well, again -- just let me know. Or don't and just use it whatever. I could honestly use a nice vacation this round if you were so inclined because of real life stuff tonight and tomorrow, but if you choose not to use it this round or whatever I get it.
Bees?:
Your sarcastic smilies give me so much life regularly, I do hope you know that.
Isn't that what we like? Just idols forever. I'm honestly just guessing due to the fact my item has til F5.
Oh I know, I've had Avo needing to die in my confessional forever. But noooo, I'm the one being a little unreasonable, we can just use him for now, it'll be fine. Guess what guys, it was never fine, and I told you so. He also sent his usual "I was an asshole kinda, sorry, wanna be friends again" nonapology PM, to which i just am not putting up with and frankly said so. So oops, if he's mad officially whatever. Also got his response to that to be that i need a chill pill, so that's fun.
Yep, I will let you know. I'm leaning towards doing it, but immunity will influence that a little. I hope whatever real life stuff is okay over all though.
Grogu:
My sarcastic smiles?
What do you mean?
This game is so fun
Around every corner a new fun discovery
Yeah, my idol expired at Final 5 as well. (Which, by the way, thanks Droids for that one.) But the Exile Brick expired at F6? So it depends on the advantage. Honestly I kinda hate someone winning immunity off the Prime Idol in Final 5, it's basically putting TWO immune players in F5. Plus whatever other idols may be out there. Not that I know of any, scout's honor! I'm just EXTREMELY FUCKING SUSPICIOUS.
What the hell is he doing? Throwing away all relationships here? I don't get it man.
He just PMed me saying he's thinking about quitting because he knows he's dead and I'm like... man, if you gotta quit, do it for yourself. But also it'd kinda suck to not have the catharsis of voting him out? Is that selfish? Yes probably.
Bees?:
Haha, yes, those super serious ones. You are the happiest frog-spawn eating baby, it's true.
Ah okay. I wondered about that, cuz I heard about the Indiana Jones idol but wasn't sure where it was. Ah so could go either way, funzies. And I never had a chance to ask Maggie when it expired. Yeah that's pretty shit, I don't like that. I am also hella sus now.
I don't know, I just don't. Like, I wasn't particularly mean in my response either. I was just like "look, how can I trust you? every time i ever have it's been bad. and all your actions are super self-centered my dude." so like idk man.
Oh wow, is he really? I feel a little bad about that, but like... at the same time, idk man, he's made this game so much shittier. And if that's what's best for him, then like, he can do that sure.
Grogu:
Yep, the Indiana Jones piece is what Droids gave me.
I dunno. People quitting is like, not cool. If you played like an ass all game then quit because people are mad at you for said assholery, I dunno what to tell you lol. I feel for him on a like, meta level, beyond the game, because I know this shit gets tense and stressful and I've been both the giver and receiver of my fair share of personal assault in these games, but it's kinda the nature of a cutthroat game of subterfuge like this yeah?
Bees?:
Ah okay, fair.
It really isn't. Though like, I get needing to if you are in a bad place mental health wise or something happens irl, I get it and can't blame anybody for that. But like, idk man. I definitely feel for him like that. But like idk man, I think there is a bit of a line that you probably shouldn't cross, and I know I try not to, and I don't think I have in this game? I've also been on the bad end of things too so I completely get it. But idk. There's something that feels extra bad when someone quits and it's from a place of thinking everyone hates them and they're not long for the game anyways, so they quit with a vibe of "I'll show them! They'll feel bad for this!".
Grogu:
Oh for sure. I replaced in bc someone couldn't because of IRL stuff. I've left games before because I got in a very bad mental health space and just couldn't handle it. But... those were strictly non-game-related things. Doing it now because you were openly a huge villainous asshole all game and people got tired of it is like... a little shifty tbh. I'm not dunking on the guy to his face or anything, but he had no problem playing like an ass all game until people finally said enough is enough, and now he's complaining to the mods about how he's being mistreated by you and T&H or whatever.
Which like... I dunno. You don't seem the type to be overaggressive or whatever. T&H was a bit feisty with me earlier before you told them about the item. (Thank you so much for that by the way, it lets me breathe easier now that T&H knows). But still it didn't come anywhere close to crossing a line with me.
And we all know Rey/Cleric aren't talking to goddamn anyone.
Bees?:
Yeah exactly. I can't say I've left before, but I definitely understand needing to. And yeah that's like mmm buddy no. I don't think I was particularly out of line with what I said. And like, if I was, well mods have the full transcript of our PMs to look through so like, idk man.
Honestly, I think the most aggressive I was was that one PM I sent to you the round you left. Like that's the brand of aggressive I get, that's it. I do try to remember that people are people behind these avatars. And yeah T/H can be fiesty but like idk. And of course. Like, he'd already sorta figured it out, I just confirmed it.
Yeah. Whoops, bees are the worst. Will just sting with NO REASON.
Congrats on immunity, dude!
Grogu:
Ahaha, if that's the most aggressive you get, I don't know what to tell you... lol.
i'm SHOCKED I won immunity!! I thought for sure it would go to tiebreaker and some wordsmith would smoke me. Literally just shocked rn.
What're you gonna do with your fancy vacation
Bees?:
Yeah idk either.
I made a mistake early on and didn't catch it, I had a lot of words so if I had managed to get to the end I was gonna be okayish? But honestly, I'm happy with this result.
I mean, I think I'm gonna keep it for next round. I know Avo is playing the part of dead and sad, but I don't exactly trust it, ya know? And if it means we don't have to have him picking up the idol next round cuz he's gone, I'm also kind of okay with that? I do feel very ._. about Rey existing after some of her PMs today just being all "well yeah that trio's a thing and all" but ehhhh.
Also, if we're actually like doing things with them and all, should we just make a group chat with T/H? And then we know we're all on the same page?
Grogu:
If you wanna toss up a group chat, I won't mind. I haven't had one of those in a while.
So it does seem like Avocado is just full tilt going after you here. I'm kinda... confused by all this, really.
Like, you guys know a returnee has to go home? So I guess you're saving it for Final 5? But even if you send me out at Final 5, you'd still be 2-2 against Rey/Cleric, so you'd have to go to rocks, yes? I'm just curious what your actual plan would be for next round if we take out Avocado here.
BTW Avocado has already told me if I go with him onto you this round he will give me his jury vote and if I don't he won't. So yeah. I don't know.
Bees?:
Yeah, just thinking about it.
Mm, of course he is. Neato. All I said was that I couldn't trust him because every time I ever had it fucked me over. Oh well.
I mean yes, I do. So does T/H, the thing is, Avo seems to be playing round by round and being particularly dumb. And yeah no, like my plan isn't to actually take out Avo exactly, it's just... tempting I suppose. Idk man, I'm a bit tired of a lot of shit here.
Grogu:
Avo has changed from "I just want to play round by round" to "my only goal is to last longer than Bees".
I gotta jet for a bit but I guess let me know what you're thinking? I probs won't be back around till the deadline to use your item has passed so like, if you use it on me... see ya next round lol. If not I'll talk to you soon
Bees?:
Ha. Well that's really good to know. Wonderful. At least I know it's actually coming from that direction, that's something.
I appreciate that he's gone so far as to make jury vote promises again. He did that to Bonobo before voting him out.
Alright, well I'm thinking that I wanna like, actually go forward. I kinda wouldn't hate if F4 ends up some conglomeration of you, me, T/H, and whichever returnee, probably Cleric? Does that sound like a decent group for you? It kinda sounds like one we can actually make happen, right? And yeah okay.