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Post by Can Opener on Feb 19, 2021 18:28:09 GMT
Bees in confessional: I'm so sick and tired of people using my name to push things they want!!! Tortoise to Cleric: So, Bees is hardpushing you, we're gonna have to target Rey, haha. anyway grogu will definitely know where the votes are going to idol out whoever if he wants to here using that new idol from rey. we'll see how things develop though to see if that becomes relevant T&H are playing such a dangerous game. I really could see this blowing up in their face. Also why tell Cleric that if you want Cleric to vote for Rey? I mean I think the idea that they can get Cleric to vote Rey is also just kinda wrong, and that misread could cost them. However Rey also has gone kinda inactive, so who knows, maybe things really could turn around on her.
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Round 16
Feb 19, 2021 18:29:06 GMT
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Post by Supervisor Silverclaw on Feb 19, 2021 18:29:06 GMT
I don't mind Rey being voted out either? For what happened, she had a good run. She'd have a hard FTC regardless of who she brought, so seeing her on the jury may be for the better.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 19, 2021 20:00:47 GMT
OH EM GEE I just typed nonono somewhere and it autocorrected to bonobo. THIS IS THE SIGN THAT BONBON IS MY BESTIE. AS FOR HOW, I DONT KNOW AND DONT ASK ME
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 19, 2021 20:01:13 GMT
even my 8 ball sends his regards with "As I see it yes"
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 19, 2021 21:10:50 GMT
I've played with/watched Bees play a few different times now, and I think their number one flaw as a player is that they don't think enough about how they are making others feel and they think far too much about how they themselves feel. Someone else talked about this at some point this game, but it really doesn't matter in Survivor how you yourself feel about people. Your feelings are actually almost entirely irrelevant. What matters is 1.) how you make others feel and even more importantly 2.) how you make others think you feel. So in theory you can have two players both of whom dislike each other, but as long as they are both skilled at hiding their true feelings and making the other person feel good, then it actually doesn't matter.
I've played with a few players who feel things really intensely like Bees does, and it can be okay, but you really need to be able to put on a happy face and hide it, and Bees just cannot. They are far too transparent about their feelings, but also too closed off to the people they don't feel good about, and it's really just not great. Time and time again, we see people saying that they don't feel good about Bees, and Bees is perfectly capable of making people feel good about them if they so choose, but they choose not to if they perceive that person as having wronged them in some way.
I don't think I react as negatively to things in games as Bees does, so that might be a factor here too, but I definitely do sometimes and I'm able to fake it. Sometimes you need to fake it in Survivor and if you fake it enough, maybe it will actually become real. If you can't fake it, you are closing the door on that relationship and limiting your options for no reason. It doesn't matter if you hate someone and talking to them is a miserable experience, you can't let them know you feel that way.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 19, 2021 21:16:22 GMT
Perhaps Bees is highly empathetic. I am like that too so I also tend to be fairly transparent but generally if im feeling something bad I just like ... leave it out. Like if I don't talk about it, im not lying XD
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 19, 2021 21:18:51 GMT
And I'm actually not saying to fake people allies with people, but you should fake that there's at least the possibility. There are ways to make people feel good without really promising them anything.
Idk it's hard for me because I think making people feel good about me is something I almost can't help doing, so I can't imagine just not doing that and sending PMs with practically nothing in them like Bees does. Like does Bees not realize how some of their messages come across? Bees is probably also a bit too honest about when they are upset, which you can be honest about but you just have to be very careful about expressing it in a way that the other person will react well to. Bees does not seem interested in doing that work. For Bees, it's almost like their feeling of being upset takes precedence over their relationship with the person who made them upset, and that's so seldom smart gameplay.
Maybe I'm just a sociopath who is able to turn my feelings off for games, idk.
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 19, 2021 21:27:59 GMT
Perhaps Bees is highly empathetic. I am like that too so I also tend to be fairly transparent but generally if im feeling something bad I just like ... leave it out. Like if I don't talk about it, im not lying XD I would consider myself empathetic in life. In Survivor...I mean I am empathetic and feel bad when I'm being fake to people, but also I will still ultimately do what I have to. But also it's weird bc I think it's partially being too empathetic and partially not being empathetic enough. Like on some level, there's a lack of recognition (and/or concern) on Bees' part about how their messages make people feel. I definitely think that I am empathetic in the sense that I know what I need to say/do in order to get people to react certain ways because I can see situations from their perspectives. It might just be that Bees doesn't care about how they make people feel because being as honest as possible is more important to them, but I don't think they realize how negatively even some of their own allies such as Grogu have been reacting to them this game. Maybe it's just like different kinds of empathy or different ways for empathy to manifest itself.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 19, 2021 21:28:24 GMT
I struggle coming off as a good ally. I feel like I either love you or you don't exist and it's fairly obvious which one it is. Like my conversations are either nonexistent, extremely fake, or full of lovedovey you are my number 1 and we will be F2.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 19, 2021 21:30:02 GMT
Perhaps Bees is highly empathetic. I am like that too so I also tend to be fairly transparent but generally if im feeling something bad I just like ... leave it out. Like if I don't talk about it, im not lying XD I would consider myself empathetic in life. In Survivor...I mean I am empathetic and feel bad when I'm being fake to people, but also I will still ultimately do what I have to. But also it's weird bc I think it's partially being too empathetic and partially not being empathetic enough. Like on some level, there's a lack of recognition (and/or concern) on Bees' part about how their messages make people feel. I definitely think that I am empathetic in the sense that I know what I need to say/do in order to get people to react certain ways because I can see situations from their perspectives. It might just be that Bees doesn't care about how they make people feel because being as honest as possible is more important to them, but I don't think they realize how negatively even some of their own allies such as Grogu have been reacting to them this game. Maybe it's just like different kinds of empathy or different ways for empathy to manifest itself. I'm like insane levels of empathetic but I can be rather blunt and not considerate a lot of times. I always feel bad immediately once I realize because I legitimately don't realize it. I think zofelf is probably the same.
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 19, 2021 21:33:29 GMT
I struggle coming off as a good ally. I feel like I either love you or you don't exist and it's fairly obvious which one it is. Like my conversations are either nonexistent, extremely fake, or full of lovedovey you are my number 1 and we will be F2. I also struggle with this, but the result for me is that I make everyone love me and think I'm super close with them and then I'm forced to backstab constantly which has its own drawbacks. Having a kind of middle-of-the-road relationship with someone where you are neither best friends nor enemies is an art I have not yet mastered.
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Post by Spam on Feb 19, 2021 21:39:55 GMT
Great points, Can Opener.
It's really important to put effort into all your conversations. You never know who's going to have power or who you'll need to work with. And even if they won't have power, you'll still need their jury vote.
I think Bees thinks they're more subtle than they are, and that people won't notice when they're being fake, when they absolutely will (see the smiley faces they sent to T&H when they accepted T&H's alliance)
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 19, 2021 21:41:59 GMT
I would consider myself empathetic in life. In Survivor...I mean I am empathetic and feel bad when I'm being fake to people, but also I will still ultimately do what I have to. But also it's weird bc I think it's partially being too empathetic and partially not being empathetic enough. Like on some level, there's a lack of recognition (and/or concern) on Bees' part about how their messages make people feel. I definitely think that I am empathetic in the sense that I know what I need to say/do in order to get people to react certain ways because I can see situations from their perspectives. It might just be that Bees doesn't care about how they make people feel because being as honest as possible is more important to them, but I don't think they realize how negatively even some of their own allies such as Grogu have been reacting to them this game. Maybe it's just like different kinds of empathy or different ways for empathy to manifest itself. I'm like insane levels of empathetic but I can be rather blunt and not considerate a lot of times. I always feel bad immediately once I realize because I legitimately don't realize it. I think zofelf is probably the same. I wouldn't say that Bees is not considerate because they are, but if anything maybe they are too considerate where they aren't willing to fake it with people which in turn closes doors which needn't be closed. I would consider not understanding how others might react to you to be unempathetic, but now I'm thinking about how sociopaths are able to manipulate people and maybe not. How can you manipulate someone if you don't understand them on some fundamental level though? I think empathy is actually a powerful weapon in Survivor sometimes.
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 19, 2021 21:47:32 GMT
Great points, Can Opener. It's really important to put effort into all your conversations. You never know who's going to have power or who you'll need to work with. And even if they won't have power, you'll still need their jury vote. I think Bees thinks they're more subtle than they are, and that people won't notice when they're being fake, when they absolutely will (see the smiley faces they sent to T&H when they accepted T&H's alliance) The last thing you want is to need to work with someone and to have them say, "I really wish we could work together, but I just haven't built up the relationship enough." That should never be the reason people don't work with you. Are they even being fake? I would say they are one of the least fake players in the game. The fake players are the players like Hare who is two-faced but able to get away with it. They actually seem really uncomfortable with being fake to me, which is why they are so bad at it. And I think Bees is/can be a great player, especially a great social player, so it's unfortunate to see.
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Post by Owen Wilson as Kenny Bostick on Feb 19, 2021 21:48:45 GMT
Perhaps Bees is highly empathetic. I am like that too so I also tend to be fairly transparent but generally if im feeling something bad I just like ... leave it out. Like if I don't talk about it, im not lying XD Already beaten somewhat by Can Opener, but really it's the opposite of empathetic to get in your own emotions instead of thinking of how other people are feeling, and seeing how things appear from their POV.
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