Can Opener
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 19, 2021 21:50:30 GMT
God I hope Avocado doesn't go here. I will feel soooooo bad for him if he gets 8th once again
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Can Opener
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 19, 2021 21:50:46 GMT
Let him live one round people! That would be a win for him...
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Post by Owen Wilson as Kenny Bostick on Feb 19, 2021 21:51:23 GMT
But maybe looking at that as a matter of empathy is coming from completely the wrong direction. Perhaps it's more like awareness, self-awareness, that kind of thing.
Empathy is hard in Survivor because it does make you better at bonding with people but it also makes it so much harder to betray and hurt people, which can both box you in and let other players peg exactly where you stand.
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? Box
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Post by ? Box on Feb 19, 2021 22:01:04 GMT
Avocado and Bees having an unknowing bonding moment - both commenting on how quiet it is within a minute of each other.
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Phoenix
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 19, 2021 22:01:25 GMT
Mmm I'll have a hard time getting good at this game.
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Spam
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Post by Spam on Feb 19, 2021 22:01:32 GMT
Great points, Can Opener. It's really important to put effort into all your conversations. You never know who's going to have power or who you'll need to work with. And even if they won't have power, you'll still need their jury vote. I think Bees thinks they're more subtle than they are, and that people won't notice when they're being fake, when they absolutely will (see the smiley faces they sent to T&H when they accepted T&H's alliance) The last thing you want is to need to work with someone and to have them say, "I really wish we could work together, but I just haven't built up the relationship enough." That should never be the reason people don't work with you. Are they even being fake? I would say they are one of the least fake players in the game. The fake players are the players like Hare who is two-faced but able to get away with it. They actually seem really uncomfortable with being fake to me, which is why they are so bad at it. And I think Bees is/can be a great player, especially a great social player, so it's unfortunate to see. I was referring to this exchange. Bees isn't as fake as often as someone like Hare, but when they are, it doesn't seem to go well. I've also noticed a quirk I seem to have. The more just I have in a message, the more likely I am being insincere. Like one or two, probably mean it actually, but if it's hitting 3, uh oh. I may be lying underneath it all. if bees sends me one more i am going to tie the vote 4-4 VIA cleric and go to rocks with avocado immune
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Can Opener
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 19, 2021 22:05:21 GMT
It's hilarious though, because that actually shows shocking self-awareness on Bees' part! Like they know one of their tells! And yet...they don't realize other people can pick up on it?
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Post by OperatorMeme on Feb 19, 2021 22:15:20 GMT
I think that's because there are plenty of people who stick a ton of smileys into messages without them being insincere. And it's... kinda hard to tell how it's coming off if the other person isn't outright telling you 'this feels insincere'?
Bees problem seems to be that they *only* smiley when they're being insincere, so the change is picked up rather than the smileys themselves (I think?)
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Phoenix
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 19, 2021 22:23:28 GMT
Damn if avocado goes here, this was totally disorganized
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Can Opener
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 19, 2021 22:43:35 GMT
I think that's because there are plenty of people who stick a ton of smileys into messages without them being insincere. And it's... kinda hard to tell how it's coming off if the other person isn't outright telling you 'this feels insincere'? Bees problem seems to be that they *only* smiley when they're being insincere, so the change is picked up rather than the smileys themselves (I think?) It reminds me of the problem some people have with exclamation marks. But you are also a notable user of smileys so I can see why you'd say this hahaha
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Can Opener
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Post by Can Opener on Feb 19, 2021 22:45:22 GMT
Nooooo not Avocado. Damn him getting 8th is so cruel. Why won't people ever take him further???
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A Rock
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Post by A Rock on Feb 19, 2021 22:55:31 GMT
Nooooo not Avocado. Damn him getting 8th is so cruel. Why won't people ever take him further??? Avocado has yet to learn how to lower their threat level, they're always a big character and know how to make things flashy, but not while also shoring up their alliances in a way that make people not want to cut them.
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Spam
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Post by Spam on Feb 19, 2021 23:07:39 GMT
If Avocado goes, the confessionals are going to be so depressing. It'll just be T&H posting, with Grogu, Maggie and Bees giving occasional updates.
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Post by Owen Wilson as Kenny Bostick on Feb 19, 2021 23:11:52 GMT
Nooooo not Avocado. Damn him getting 8th is so cruel. Why won't people ever take him further??? Avocado has yet to learn how to lower their threat level, they're always a big character and know how to make things flashy, but not while also shoring up their alliances in a way that make people not want to cut them. they're not really seen as a threat this time though, just look at the touchy subjects survey challenge. they're seen as a disliked, weakened player who's on their way out it's because he went from bonding with everyone and talking with everyone premerge to just shutting out half the game and sending them arms-length messages postmerge. i mean i doubt it was that bad but that's the vibe im getting from reading confessionals
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A Rock
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Post by A Rock on Feb 19, 2021 23:15:25 GMT
Well yeah...they didn't shore up their alliances that didn't make people not want to cut them? I guess the first sentence is a bit of misnomer in this case.
But the trajectory goes, big personality early merge, some pre-merge things happen and they end up without enough people fighting for them for one reason or another.
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