Bonobo
Jury
first space creature in space
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 2, 2021 6:00:15 GMT
You definitely did <3 You were a force to reckon with definitely.
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Avocado
green
eats spicy goodness like a boss
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Post by Avocado on Mar 2, 2021 6:08:46 GMT
I apologize, but you lost my vote when you told me you weren't playing to win and just hoping to get F6. I don't respect going against that win condition. Additionally, we both broke our promises to each other which included the jury vote. Though I respect the move. I wish you the best of luck! oh right-- this probably isn't gonna change your mind or mean that much to you, but i genuinely was fighting for you to stay over bees because i really did want to give our truce a chance (and bees was throwing me under the bus previously) until i heard from t/h that you were trying to eliminate me and my hand was sort of forced (t/h also confirmed that i was fighting against bees that round in his speech). totally understand if you're maintaining your stance, but i was just doing what i had to do from my perspective
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Bonobo
Jury
first space creature in space
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Post by Bonobo on Mar 2, 2021 6:18:28 GMT
I mean, I was fine with voting out Bees until T/H actively pushed for you to go home. I thought my hand was forced at that point and didn't have a ton of agency considering I felt like anyone that went home that round was going to be a rough draw.
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Avocado
green
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Post by Avocado on Mar 2, 2021 6:20:39 GMT
yeah bees was always my primary target for that tribal council because i wanted to help preserve maggie's relationship with you so she wouldn't feel threatened and also i knew that he wasn't going to cut me any slack unless we were forced into very dire straits, and maybe not even then. if i had my way that round, bees would have gone home not you, i just never had t/h's support on that and i still stand by my opinion that him going there would have been a much smarter move to make
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Avocado
green
eats spicy goodness like a boss
Posts: 428
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Post by Avocado on Mar 2, 2021 8:09:56 GMT
I think the main reason I'm the one here is because Grogu was perceived as the leader. As for why i'm here over Cleric: Cleric was perceived as the easier Hive opponent. Which might actually not be true. I had been a bit lazier about my Hive practice, and Cleric said they had practiced a lot and felt more confident. I did try to nudge them into voting for Cleric using some wifom around the prime idol, but none of that actually mattered I guess because they already knew Grogu had it lol. this is true. we voted cleric cause we saw him as the easier hive opponent and you had already won one
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Avocado
green
eats spicy goodness like a boss
Posts: 428
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Post by Avocado on Mar 2, 2021 9:12:26 GMT
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Post by Maggie Smith on Mar 2, 2021 11:44:54 GMT
Hello Avocado!
I must thank you for your kind words about me in your opening speech, and I appreciate the openness with which you have approached this Final Tribal Council.
On that note, however, I see in these threads a whole lot of talk of "control" and "power" and.. oh heaven forbid.. "moves". All sorts of faffing about! And quite frankly I couldn't be arsed with that rubbish. (And on the topic of faffing about, I have had to post the same segment in three different threads! The calamity!)
What I would like to talk about is... tea!
I would like you to compare your experience of this game to a particular type of tea, and tell me why you chose it. You may not even drink tea, but no matter! I dare you to be creative! Think outside the cup! There is no right or wrong. The less talk of "moves", the better!
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Avocado
green
eats spicy goodness like a boss
Posts: 428
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Post by Avocado on Mar 2, 2021 13:29:55 GMT
helll yes a fun question instead of a strategic one. this is my jam. i'm afraid that i haven't had that much experience with tea (i'm more of a coffee dude. and an american, so i'm not cultured in that regard either) BUT i will do my absolute best to answer your question based on the surface knowledge i have about the stuff
so. i'm going to be completely basic here and pick 'green tea' as my option. i think it's a solid, very well-known tea, and one of the first examples that people think of when they hear the word. perhaps it isn't the most intricate or flavorful, but it has definitely made its mark on the human psyche for a reason. i think a lot of the same 'visibility' that has been denotated in my speech and questions dozens and dozens of times already can be easily translated into this tea, and if you're looking for a consensus 'famous/infamous' tea, then i think that my game can be exactly the same, with all of the good and the bad pieces of it forming one holistic whole. so my game isn't entirely the best, or for the most sophisticated of taste buds. but what it has had is impact, in every sense of the word, on how the perception of and events in this game played out. i think that my game can easily be described as the 'center' of this whole thing because of my instrumental role in every tribal council that i attended, just as green tea plays an instrumental role in what people think of tea itself (the fact that it was one of the first i thought of when answering this question helps)
on a more passionate, sentimental, and creative level, you could also choose to interpret the 'green' tea literally. i've made it quite clear to people already that i've never made it past the early merge, and that i've only made jury a handful of times. i've never even come close to the position that i'm in now to make my case, i have no idea how to write out a speech, no idea how to manage a jury, and i think that that's been pretty clear in the mixed reaction to the way people have reacted to my game in here. in a lot of ways, you really could describe my game as 'green', or someone who's completely new to this sort of thing. maybe my speech has been like a bull in a china shop, maybe i'm giving people a convincing argument and they're just a little bit closer to voting for me. but regardless of whether i win or lose, whether i gain votes or go completely unappreciated, i'm learning more and more about myself and this game as a whole, and making observations and taking notes on how to improve the way i act in these and how to handle every situation that i'm faced with. so if i ever do find the time to play another one of these games, i can learn from my experience as a greenhorn here and learn to fly
hopefully that answers your question and didnt go off on too much of a tangent. its been really great to see you again my gal
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Avocado
green
eats spicy goodness like a boss
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Post by Avocado on Mar 2, 2021 18:59:08 GMT
okay. since it seems reasoning and logic won't work with you people, i have a plan b PUT THE JURY VOTES IN THE BAG PUT EM IN
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Avocado
green
eats spicy goodness like a boss
Posts: 428
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Post by Avocado on Mar 3, 2021 8:17:51 GMT
would you guys drink an avocado flavored la croix
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Post by Maggie Smith on Mar 3, 2021 9:27:32 GMT
yeah
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Cleric
Jury
RELIGION
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Post by Cleric on Mar 3, 2021 16:56:59 GMT
Hey Avo,
I really like your opening FTC speech, and I think you played a very strong game. It really is unfortunate that our group had to break up so early. I love how you have personalized responses to each juror cause I think that shows effort, something you've been exploding with since we met.
So, you've told me a lot about how you should win, but I want to know, why shouldn't the other two contestants win?
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Avocado
green
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Post by Avocado on Mar 3, 2021 19:01:28 GMT
ay thanks for the kind words my dude. this question is also a good change of pace from the standard cause ive been tryin to evaluate the others' games from how i'd see them as a juror to start off with since i expected basically every round to be my last. in terms of 'who shouldn't win', i think that everyone does have an argument to win otherwise they wouldnt have been able to make it here in the first place, but thats obviously a cop out answer so i'll just go over the arguments against them
for dark rey, i think that the whole 'she already got voted out' is the cop out easy answer, BUT i think that being voted out is invariably a gateway into an inherent advantage for her-- the fact that she got underestimated and was offered a lot more opportunities than someone who stayed in the game until the end. since dark rey was seen as someone who wasn't exactly a contender thanks to how juries usually see returnees, a lot more people were willing to work with her, give her chances, and bring her to the end as someone who would be an easier opponent thanks to her status than someone who hadn't been voted out, and she benefitted greatly from something that was completely unreachable for myself and t/h. beyond that, i think if you're looking for effort, there were points where she didn't really put a lot of thought into her messages, and she's (as far as i know) the only person in the merge who didn't submit for not just one, but multiple challenges and consistently took days off where others were giving it their all just to stay in and keep fighting another day. maybe that's an unfair view because she was going through real life stuff, but a lot of other people were able to continue throughout real life stuff and play their heart out in this game with no problem at all. (note: i think dark rey is really chill and i dont have any complaints about her as a person at all)
on t/h's side, i think that they've been really gassing up the amount of influence that they've had this game and within their own alliance. in their main group of four, the quartet, we essentially saw them as the weakest member of the group thanks to their questionable loyalties and arguably lower activity level (bard and droids can correct me on this if i'm wrong), and they were lacking in terms of connections and social game to the point where we doubted how much they would stick to their admittedly main group. they did not have much of a pre-merge presence in the slightest and were mostly a number for a considerable portion of it, and were also in danger of being targeted a few times that they weren't aware of in that space alone. i think that their connection with bees DOES have merit in and of itself and prevented them from being targeted at all, but beyond that and the javelin play they didn't really have as many strong connections as everyone else as far as allies go and they were mostly just spared because they posed a lower threat than challenge beasts like bard, droids, maggie, and bees rather than most of the effort they put in themselves. in addition to that, they specifically had another advantage over myself and rey in that they always had someone else to confide in and talk about their deepest decisions over the course of this long time in each other, whereas rey and i specifically had to go it alone on our own merits without any tortoise to confide in and bounce ideas off of.
the biggest argument i would against them if i were a jury member is the fact that their main selling point of their game is that they 'outwitted' the competition, but the only really big moves that they made that had an impact are the f9 vote (where they just voted out the person that they were least connected with) and the f5 vote (which they needed to do to save me, their meat shield so they wouldnt get taken out in fourth place by the returnees). the biggest hole in their outwit argument is that that sort of thing really falls apart with the fact that they constantly underestimated the goals and motivations of people they weren't aligned with. the biggest example of this is the final eight vote, where they expected you to side with me and bard, the two biggest threats in the game who had already taken you out once before, and for you to use your vote nullifier on rey to eliminate her so that we could pagong the rest of the merge and go to the end with you as our goat, which is something that obviously had no chance of happening whatsoever. instead of that, their closest allies in me, bard, and bees threw them under the bus and ended up voting for them alongside maggie (something that they completely weren't aware of either up until the end where they were the only vote for rey) and it's only because of the returnees that they wanted out making a move to save them and eliminate their biggest competition that they weren't voted out and have a chance to be here in the first place. beyond that, i dont really think that they have a great argument as far as outwit goes due to their really under the radar game outside of the two standard votes that they were able to lead. if you ask me i think that rey better embodies the outwit portion thanks to the greater amount of control and knowledge on what was happening that she had and her ability to leverage that better (no offense to them either, i really like them and the respect that they approached this game with)
at the very least, those would be points that i would bring up against t/h and rey from my perspective if i were on the jury. maybe those are incorrect assumptions but those are how i saw things
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Avocado
green
eats spicy goodness like a boss
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Post by Avocado on Mar 3, 2021 20:24:03 GMT
can confirm that snow leopard was VERY VERY VERY talkative
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...Bees?
Jury
Cloudy with a chance of bees.
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Post by ...Bees? on Mar 3, 2021 20:42:32 GMT
FTC can be hard and often has a bunch of negativity or stress with all the questions that are given, so let's change it up a little. Having awareness of your own perception is very important, but being aware of other players is just as important so I am curious how well you got to know the other people in this game. (Yes I will be asking all 3 of you this, in the same way, deal.) Without using your opening speech or torchwalks, I'd like you to list the following things about each of the finalists as well as the jurors: What do you admire most about their gameplay? What do you admire most about them as people? What is the funniest/best moment you had with them?
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