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Post by Supervisor Silverclaw on Feb 28, 2021 6:56:18 GMT
Please ask questions to The Tortoise & The Hare here.
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Post by Dave Thomas Mayor of Ponderosa on Mar 2, 2021 1:17:14 GMT
Hello. I have not read opening statements yet and am coming into this with an open mind.
That being said while we have all been voted out, that doesn't mean we aren't entitled to respect. If at any time starting now you refer to me by anything other than "Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy's" or "Dave Thomas, Mayor of Ponderosa" you will automatically lose my vote.
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Post by The Tortoise & The Hare on Mar 2, 2021 1:22:32 GMT
o7
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...Bees?
Jury
Cloudy with a chance of bees.
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Post by ...Bees? on Mar 2, 2021 1:32:08 GMT
Hey T/H, I'm glad you used my gift to the best of your ability. I want to say that you should be incredibly proud of the game you've played because to date, as far as I can recall, you are the FIRST hydra to ever make FTC on MS. So regardless of what happens throughout this, nobody can take that away from you.
Asking mods some clarification on question formats before I ask you anything specific <3
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Bard
Jury
eating guac like a boss
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Post by Bard on Mar 2, 2021 1:46:05 GMT
Well hey there TH! Super happy to see you both here. But despite positive feelings for yellow, my vote is not clear in the slightest right now.
I would like to hear more about how you were able to take control throughout the game.
Can you give some examples of times in the game where you were a heavy influence and how those moments impacted the rest of the game?
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Post by Grogu on Mar 2, 2021 2:12:23 GMT
Hey T&H!
Congrats on making it here, you were a real pleasure to play against.
If you could go back and change one outcome with the knowledge you have now, what would it be? Is there a better Final 3 you think you could've arranged for yourself, or is this your ideal F3?
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Post by The Tortoise & The Hare on Mar 2, 2021 2:40:28 GMT
Hey T&H! Congrats on making it here, you were a real pleasure to play against. If you could go back and change one outcome with the knowledge you have now, what would it be? Is there a better Final 3 you think you could've arranged for yourself, or is this your ideal F3?
Ever since Bonobo went home, my ideal F3 was T&H/Avocado/Cleric. I didn't expect it to be realistic that I could bring avocado all the way here at first, but we managed to do it. T&H/Avo/Rey is my second-favourite choice for a final three, and I think it's still a good enough F3 that I don't regret choosing this.
If I could ~change one outcome~ and get that F3, well obviously I would have rey go home over cleric at F5 and the rest of the game would play out more or less the same. Realistically I could have done this by being a real jerk about it to avocado and say I would only vote rey, but I wanted to maximize both our chances of survival so we could vote together in F4. If I knew I was the target that round, I would have felt comfortable going up against rey in hive.
While I could have sent rey home at F7, I feel like if I played that round with the knowledge I have now, I don't think I would want to save maggie over rey, since I think it might immediately segue into a maggie vs. T&H showdown at F6, and I don't need that kind of attention right at endgame.
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Post by The Tortoise & The Hare on Mar 2, 2021 2:52:07 GMT
Well hey there TH! Super happy to see you both here. But despite positive feelings for yellow, my vote is not clear in the slightest right now. I would like to hear more about how you were able to take control throughout the game. Can you give some examples of times in the game where you were a heavy influence and how those moments impacted the rest of the game?My biggest moves that influenced the game the most did not require me to influence a lot of people.
The time in the game that I influenced the most people was at F7, where I was the organizer of the cleric-rey split vote. People followed it, but it didn't go anywhere and maggie went home anyways.
The time in the game that I influenced the round and created the biggest impact of the game was on the space tribe, where I convinced avocado to throw the challenge, convinced bees to target bonobo over avocado, and convinced avocado to target bonobo over bees. Taking out bonobo, someone who we saw as very well protected by his low profile and ambiguous connections, dramatically changed the entire tone of the game. I would say that it turned up the pressure and made the game feel like there was no hiding places left. It also prevented bonobo from making it deep into endgame by default and freed up spots for other more visible players. Hopefully it also ruined a lot of people's ideal F3's, but only you guys know that for sure~
The other time in the game where I was a heavy influence was convincing avocado to go with the plan at F5 to give grogu the prime number idol before yeeting him out of the TC and forcing firemaking. That impacted the rest of the game by preventing the returnees alliance from endgaming together
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Post by Grogu on Mar 2, 2021 2:56:37 GMT
Thanks for the response! I'll save one of my last two questions for you for later.
FYI, can confirm Bonobo going out ruined my F3 plans.
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Post by The Tortoise & The Hare on Mar 2, 2021 2:57:26 GMT
that was the intention <3
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Post by C-3PO & R2-D2 on Mar 2, 2021 3:25:17 GMT
Hi T+H, congrats! Our minds are still open, looking forward to reading all of the answers.
Did you purposefully overstate Dave's relationship with Bees? Did you tell lies to make Grogu look bad on Maroon? If so, why? Overall, were there any outright lies you told throughout the game and how did they advance your game?
-C-3PO & R2
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Post by Dave Thomas Mayor of Ponderosa on Mar 2, 2021 3:26:18 GMT
I'm actually going to be a little bit selfish on this one. I had hopes for us becoming allies in this game after the Lindsay vote. However, when a groupchat is made for one round and then suddenly stops being used ever, well, that's usually a pretty clear sign meaning that particular group of people isn't going to go deep together. Then on the round where I went home I told you I was targetting Avocado only be told that you were assuming the lack of me giving a name meant I was going to try to save myself without you. What the hell was that about, and why did we never have a serious chance of working together?
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Post by C-3PO & R2-D2 on Mar 2, 2021 3:45:05 GMT
Our final question will go to you as well.
Do you think Avocado has a chance of winning this game? Why or why not? How did this influence your decision to go to the end with him and how much control over that did you have?
-C-3PO & R2
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Post by The Tortoise & The Hare on Mar 2, 2021 3:51:20 GMT
I'm actually going to be a little bit selfish on this one. I had hopes for us becoming allies in this game after the Lindsay vote. However, when a groupchat is made for one round and then suddenly stops being used ever, well, that's usually a pretty clear sign meaning that particular group of people isn't going to go deep together. Then on the round where I went home I told you I was targeting Avocado only be told that you were assuming the lack of me giving a name meant I was going to try to save myself without you. What the hell was that about, and why did we never have a serious chance of working together?
The first reason we didn't have a serious chance of working together is because your enemies (bard/avo/etc.) were my closest allies, and my closest allies considered you their greatest enemy. While it is certainly possible to remain allies with two people who don't get along (read: my relationship with avo/bees), my allies were absolutely hellbent on taking you out, and I felt a lot closer with them than I did to you.
The second reason we didn't have a serious chance of working together is because we never broke into deeper conversation about the game. Part of this may have been your lower activity at the start of merge. I bonded closely with the maroon 4 and formed endgame deals with people in it in the first round of merge. With you, I didn't really know where you were at, you rarely responded to me, and all my allies didn't like you, so I just assumed you were against me, too.
So because we never communicated, and my closest allies all didn't like you, I assumed you were keeping me at arms length, lest I leak whatever you said back to avo/bard. Furthermore, on the round that you said to us you were targeting Avocado, we heard from Cleric (and I think someone else) that you were targeting Bard. So when you told us you wanted to vote for avocado, we just assumed you were telling us a fake name because we were on opposite sides of things. This is where "I was going to try to save myself without you" comes from.
I think if we had formed a deeper connection earlier, I wouldn't have been as frightened by your absence, and I may even have been able to sway people away from you as a vote within the maroon group before your reputation spiralled out of control.
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Post by The Tortoise & The Hare on Mar 2, 2021 4:09:40 GMT
Hi T+H, congrats! Our minds are still open, looking forward to reading all of the answers. Did you purposefully overstate Dave's relationship with Bees? Did you tell lies to make Grogu look bad on Maroon? If so, why? Overall, were there any outright lies you told throughout the game and how did they advance your game?-C-3PO & R2 Tricky question. I hope for your sake the mods only count it as one~
1. On Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy's: I might have been telling the truth. I have no idea. The exact nature of Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy's relationships remain unclear to me to this day.
On The Red Tribe, Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy's revealed to us that he felt very close to bees, and bees revealed to us he felt very close to Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy's. The two of them made a groupchat that included me, and the hope was that we could work together. Being added to an existing pair did in fact give me the idea that Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy's and Bees were close. Did I overstate it? I really don't know. I never got a deep insight into Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy's and his relationships, but what I did know for certain was that Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy's had a close relationship with Bees.
2. On Grogu and Maroon: We pushed a narrative about him being shady without caring if it was true or not because I was freaked out by the way he talked, and assumed he was the root of the weird happenings that round.
Grogu is an extremely persuasive talker. His sentences and PM's are very well crafted. When he found himself in danger, and he started talking to me using very intentional language, it freaked me the heck out and I immediately assumed the worst. I seriously doubt that everything I said that round was true. The intent there was to form tribal unity, because truthfully I was actually quite scared of you and bees on that tribe since I didn't know where your heads were at. I figured that if we all had a common enemy, we would get along much better and work together closer moving forwards. In the end, I got the best of both worlds, becoming allies with both Grogu and the rest of Maroon.
3. Did we tell any lies? Yes.
Yes, we did tell lies. At F5, I lied to grogu that I was going to use my javelin immediately at deadline on one of Cleric or Rey using conditional actions. The reason I told this lie was so he wouldn't give his vote nullifier to either of them, or he would theoretically risk having them yeeted out of the TC. I don't think this lie was entirely necessary since I think Grogu wanted the item for himself anyways. I also lied to Bonobo on the space tribe that Avocado was going to be the target. I did this to make him feel safe, since he was starting to open up to me about a lot of parts of the game he knew about that I didn't, like Maggie's relationships. By telling this lie I was able to shine a light on our blindspot of the game and get more information.
In general I don't think lying played a very big part in our game. Do you consider telling people what they wanted to hear to be a lie? We did a lot of that when we weren't sure what to say back to someone.
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